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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 10:11:01 GMT
I don't believe in sweeping things under the carpet when the issues remain . And I am with RD Lang on anger : Have you seen the state of the world only and idiot and the self obsessed could fail to be angry . Well, that's your rather jaundiced view of matters. Having continual stress and anger in your life is a sure way of shortening it. Check the medical stats. As far as the state of world is concerned, I agree, but I don't see the point in stressing out over what one can't change. Instead, I divorce myself as much as possible from 'the system' and create sanctuary on my own 'little island', as it were. That works very well for me, and as such both my wife and I enjoy a very happy and contented life  Marco. And yet again the post that should allowed to counter this will be removed which proves the level of anger to the point of madness this man is capable of. You seem to forget my attitude to him is purely BECAUSE of this yet you wont allow it to be shown or even discussed. Luckily it is in the public domain at The Crossover Network Forum and in his own archive at AoS for the libel. |
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Post by Marco on Jul 16, 2014 10:12:51 GMT
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 10:14:25 GMT
That is quite simply a lie, HFS has never been moderated because of my views and choices and any NVA member will confirm it. There is a simple rule, you discuss the subject not the poster and that solves ALL forum problems, apart from spamming you require no other rules. So quite specifically how was deleting a picture of a Pip line stage anything to do with ad-hominum, or any of your other rules? And while we're on the subject of hypocrisy, how does your statement about the safety provided by RCBO's reconcile with your statement of the dangers of valve amplifiers? Or countless others...  I haven't a clue what you are talking about, I removed no picture, you probably ballsed it up yourself. And of course we have more bone chewing. |
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 10:25:41 GMT
Richard, to say your forum is never censored to suit your agenda is laughable quite frankly, as is your assertion on ad hominem, which you and your sidekick practise freely. No-one else is allowed though.. This again is not true, everyone who joins in at EOTW has the same rules and the same opportunity. There is loads of rudeness and piss take at EOTW it is what the room is for. BUT it is directed outward not inward. The rule at HFS applies to comment between forum members who are in the same thread anyone else is fair game. It is purely to stop internal conflict so we can have fun directing conflict at the idiots, spammers, shillers, crooks and egotists in the rest of the industry. Anyone can follow the rules, it just takes a little intelligence. I have said it before and I say it again, if any member wants to take the piss or have a go at me then all they have to do is create a thread that is titled "Richard (or doc) is a twonk please discuss" or similar. Then I am the subject of the thread so anyone can discuss me to their hearts content. A couple of years ago a couple of people joined from other forums to do this, they quickly ran away with their tails between their legs. |
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 10:29:53 GMT
MODERATION: unnecessary and does not move the discussion forwards. |
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Post by pinkie on Jul 16, 2014 10:31:07 GMT
I agree - this is THE ONLY forum. I agree with nodrog that there is thread cleansing on HFS whenever the forum owner is uncomfortable about his views being questioned. And the levels of "control" on the other main forums are I think accepted by most posters on this thread as a given. There is a level playing field here, and that will allow factual errors by any poster to be challenged, and possibly lead to appropriate moderation - particularly where there is a serious safety issue.  That is quite simply a lie, HFS has never been moderated because of my views and choices and any NVA member will confirm it. There is a simple rule, you discuss the subject not the poster and that solves ALL forum problems, apart from spamming you require no other rules. The point is as soon as one person does it the other has to join in, and with Pinky it became a speciality. So why don't I do it here, simple, because I am getting personal comments against me initiating the conflict so I reply - there is no effective ad hominem rule here and it looks to me as though the concept is not even understood. Note how the guy chews bones, every post has to have reference to his latest bone he has dug up, gnaw gnaw gnaw. It is one of the things that irritated HFS members so much about him. Re: AoS Postby Oldpinkman » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:31 am _D_S_J_R_ wrote: Oldpinkman wrote:Of course, just because they are not directly illegal, doesn't make them lovely. As far as I can see, to save using a nasty stepped attenuator, which is a series of switches with mechanical contacts, which obviously you wouldn't want in an audio circuit, they use lovely ldr's - soldered in place. No nasty contacts in the signal path. Except for the exceptionally nasty rotary selector switch for selecting the input. So - no nasty contacts in the signal path where you decide how loud it goes, but scrummy cheap contacts in the signal path where you decide what to listen to. :think: The Pip needs a decent line stage, the vacuum gold relays are irrelevant here IMO. As for stepped attenuators, how much resistance does the gold plated switching add to the resistors already there? next to Nowt I bet. The Doc will advise on exactly how much the switches themselves add to the LCR equation. P.S. Hope the 'bakeoff' will use PRECISELY matched volume levels on the different preamps... Dave. The pip has a decent line stage. 2 in fact, since the "active" mode switches in a x10 gain stage before the output buffer shared with the passive route. It is capable of providing enough gain from its transconductance RIAA stage to operate in passive mode on phono for all but the weediest output mc's, but it has a decent line stage. When did you last hear one, which variant, and what did you find indecent about the line stage? ADMIN - Removed, don't waste our time with this stupidity, and back off with the Pink shill bit please. Probably slipped your mind Doc  |
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Post by walpurgis on Jul 16, 2014 10:31:27 GMT
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The "he said, she said" arguments will be allowed for a limited further time period and then we will revert to moderating this thread in the manner of all others. We are still very interested in your analysis of our moderation and whether you think we are getting the flow of conversation right. Please quote examples by all means. I appreciate your feedback and we have noted the number of members who dislike the warning system. This is being discussed behind the scenes. I think you are on the right track Martin and you don't need my opinion of the site moderation. The warning 'flag' should be dispensed with though, it's not necessary. |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 10:41:11 GMT
there is no effective ad hominem rule here Normal forum rules were suspended for this thread only, and will be reinstated later. |
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 10:42:39 GMT
That is quite simply a lie, HFS has never been moderated because of my views and choices and any NVA member will confirm it. There is a simple rule, you discuss the subject not the poster and that solves ALL forum problems, apart from spamming you require no other rules. The point is as soon as one person does it the other has to join in, and with Pinky it became a speciality. So why don't I do it here, simple, because I am getting personal comments against me initiating the conflict so I reply - there is no effective ad hominem rule here and it looks to me as though the concept is not even understood. Note how the guy chews bones, every post has to have reference to his latest bone he has dug up, gnaw gnaw gnaw. It is one of the things that irritated HFS members so much about him. Re: AoS Postby Oldpinkman » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:31 am _D_S_J_R_ wrote: Oldpinkman wrote:Of course, just because they are not directly illegal, doesn't make them lovely. As far as I can see, to save using a nasty stepped attenuator, which is a series of switches with mechanical contacts, which obviously you wouldn't want in an audio circuit, they use lovely ldr's - soldered in place. No nasty contacts in the signal path. Except for the exceptionally nasty rotary selector switch for selecting the input. So - no nasty contacts in the signal path where you decide how loud it goes, but scrummy cheap contacts in the signal path where you decide what to listen to. :think: The Pip needs a decent line stage, the vacuum gold relays are irrelevant here IMO. As for stepped attenuators, how much resistance does the gold plated switching add to the resistors already there? next to Nowt I bet. The Doc will advise on exactly how much the switches themselves add to the LCR equation. P.S. Hope the 'bakeoff' will use PRECISELY matched volume levels on the different preamps... Dave. The pip has a decent line stage. 2 in fact, since the "active" mode switches in a x10 gain stage before the output buffer shared with the passive route. It is capable of providing enough gain from its transconductance RIAA stage to operate in passive mode on phono for all but the weediest output mc's, but it has a decent line stage. When did you last hear one, which variant, and what did you find indecent about the line stage? ADMIN - Removed, don't waste our time with this stupidity, and back off with the Pink shill bit please. Probably slipped your mind Doc Per usual it is difficult to fathom out this garbled post, a pinky speciality. Shilling is moderated when it goes too far and with you once you get a bone to chew you wont let go. I remember no picture, but you were warned and moderated a couple of times if I remember right. It was getting to the point others on the forum were getting irritated by it and starting to take the piss out of you (DQ for one as he has referred to jokingly here). It was a shot across the bows. At that stage the only posts you made were about Funk, Pink Triangle, or your mate himself, it was getting monotonous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 10:43:28 GMT
I think Martin you are falling into a trap with this discussion. Most of the Dunn detractors on here have had past issues that I can safely say have connections to his business in terms of some involvement or postings they have made. Philip I am baffled as to your agenda except you appear to come on forums just to stir things up - at least you have dropped the silly large print. Yes he can be rude and off the cuff when he disagrees but I find he is usually right on technical matters which means he get's irritated by people who spread false technical information. Never met the man but have spoken to people who have which suggests he is not the same in real life. Also I think he genuinely expected to get banned from here based on past experience. Evidence suggests this forum tries to be different and avoid some of the things Richard crusades against on HFS.
I also think what he and others have said about other Forums and people on HFS is irrelevant to any behaviour on this Forum. I note TAS is getting a good 'press' on HFS so far. The problems that Doc has with posters in general appears to be limited to a certain small group of individuals and there are long held grudges on both sides. Best that both parties leave them out of forum discussions. Giving Richard the 50% bar is I think counterproductive as it gives an incentive to certain people to provoke him up to 100% - does that mean an automatic ban?
I do welcome the open apology from Marco for some past daft actions and hope it is accepted with good grace by all parties. I'm not sure why Pinky would want to rejoin AOS in spite of this based on his past experience. Also apologies don't right the underlying conflict and dissatisfaction some people found intolerable there related to the activities of certain trade members. Perhaps Jez Arkless and a few others deserve an invite to return. All I can say in some of these disputes it's not appropriate to delineate subjectivism from objectivism. Perhaps we can agree to disagree in some cases and leave it there. I applaud TAS for aiming to avoid the pitfalls encountered on other forums and hope we can continue to tolerate the occasional 'character' as member especially ones with the technical knowledge of RD.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 10:45:27 GMT
Martin THIS is an example of what I meant about reality being rewritten, and it will go on and on post after post, yet you allow it and remove any poat I make to argue my case and counter it = censorship and biased moderation. I believe that I asked a similar question, Richard, in order to establish whether you behave differently in person compared with online. |
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 16, 2014 10:45:58 GMT
Steve toy is listed as a member , banned members are not listed . see for example if you can find ninanina listed .
ps - martin have you seen The Purge ! 
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 10:48:53 GMT
Martin THIS is an example of what I meant about reality being rewritten, and it will go on and on post after post, yet you allow it and remove any poat I make to argue my case and counter it = censorship and biased moderation. I believe that I asked a similar question, Richard, in order to establish whether you behave differently in person compared with online. Your answer makes no sense relative to the question. |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 10:48:57 GMT
So, Dennis, you don't believe in the concept of 'forgive and forget'? That probably explains why both Richard and you come across as rather angry and unhappy people. Marco. You see Martin this is classic ad hominem, seems just someones opinion but it is designed to try to create a response and conflict. This is the ad hominem I talk about, it is nothing to do with the subject apart from it has been made so because the FIRST bit of ad hominem was allowed. As I say it is pointless for me to join in as you have tied my hands so I will just point to it for you. I don't know who 'Dennis' is.
Marco said that you come across as rather angry and unhappy. You have to turn the mirror on yourself and wonder whether you do. Since we are being open and honest for a while, you come over as rather angry to me, too. For the sake of all readers, I haven't met you and can only go by what I see written. You tend to respond overwhelmingly in attack mode.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 10:52:22 GMT
Having read the above posts i will add some more comment.
1. Richard (Pinkie) you are talking nonsense about thread cleansing on HFS - you were quite happy to ramble on there until you joined here. Even given your own thread.
2. Marco. Having appologised you appear to be reverting back to past behaviour on this thread. I suppose you don't see it but it is the reason so many members have left AOS - Again people starting conflict with incorrect information and accusations.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 10:52:59 GMT
And yet again the post that should allowed to counter this will be removed which proves the level of anger to the point of madness this man is capable of. You seem to forget my attitude to him is purely BECAUSE of this yet you wont allow it to be shown or even discussed. Luckily it is in the public domain at The Crossover Network Forum and in his own archive at AoS for the libel. And yet you ARE responding and it hasn't been removed. |
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Post by Marco on Jul 16, 2014 10:56:46 GMT
Steve toy is listed as a member , banned members are not listed .
He joined under a different name to 'poke' Richard, and was promptly banned for his trouble. The very same has been done to RD on other forums, but for some reason he considers his brand of 'poking' as justified  Marco. |
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 10:57:14 GMT
And yet again the post that should allowed to counter this will be removed which proves the level of anger to the point of madness this man is capable of. You seem to forget my attitude to him is purely BECAUSE of this yet you wont allow it to be shown or even discussed. Luckily it is in the public domain at The Crossover Network Forum and in his own archive at AoS for the libel. And yet you ARE responding and it hasn't been removed. No I am pointing to the fact that I am not being allowed to respond. So I have just tried again in the last post, so will we see your biased moderation again, we will see. |
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 16, 2014 10:57:46 GMT
Strikes me a defamation but we have the problem we always have , who on earth would take that comment seriously ?
Additionally, this on line /real life dualism is a false dichotomy , I am fairly sure if you attacked NVA or Richard in public he would say exactly the same to your face . Richard is all about retaliation .
This is how it went -
Internet arrives
rd sees bollocks he as fought all his life being disseminated and tells people they are talking shite [forcefully ]
unable to challenge what he says , they attack him
He attacks back
hey presto we are were we are .
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Post by Marco on Jul 16, 2014 10:57:47 GMT
You see Martin this is classic ad hominem, seems just someones opinion but it is designed to try to create a response and conflict. This is the ad hominem I talk about, it is nothing to do with the subject apart from it has been made so because the FIRST bit of ad hominem was allowed. As I say it is pointless for me to join in as you have tied my hands so I will just point to it for you. I don't know who 'Dennis' is.
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