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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 11:39:03 GMT
MODERATION: there is no useful feedback in this post.
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Post by dvh on Jul 16, 2014 11:41:33 GMT
Ban anyone who runs their own forum: job done!
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 12:01:19 GMT
MODERATION: now you have crossed the line by deliberately spamming the forum with unpleasantness, after I have asked you to stop. Once again biased moderation, it is not my unpleasantness it is Marco's, and you refuse to publish it yet allow him to attack me at will. I have asked you to stop that but you refuse. So who moderates you! Richard, this is a simple question: did you or did you not deliberately spam this forum with that post after I had asked you to stop? There is no need for further obfuscation, just a simple yes/no will suffice.
Hint: I have the evidence.
Now stop with your biased moderation nonsense please, it's a little tiring.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 12:11:31 GMT
Ad hominem arguments are not always wrong, and in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue, as when it directly involves hypocrisy, or actions contradicting the subject's words. I think it is legitimate, if relevant, to draw attention to either a person's words or conduct - what they say and do. What does not seem respectable is to attack their arguments for who they are. I'd therefore suggest that mods continue doing what they are doing and crack down on abusive ad hominem which usually involves attacking the traits of an opponent as a means to invalidate their arguments. Equating someone's character with the soundness of their argument is a logical fallacy and does nothing to advance an argument. BTW, verbal abuse in the absence of an argument, however, is not ad hominem under any definition I've seen. But IMO it is unnecessary and should be left outside the forum. Thank you, Peter. You make some good points and we'll have a think about them.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 12:11:36 GMT
Once again biased moderation, it is not my unpleasantness it is Marco's, and you refuse to publish it yet allow him to attack me at will. I have asked you to stop that but you refuse. So who moderates you! Richard, this is a simple question: did you or did you not deliberately spam this forum with that post after I had asked you to stop? There is no need for further obfuscation, just a simple yes/no will suffice.
Hint: I have the evidence.
Now stop with your biased moderation nonsense please, it's a little tiring.
Your biased moderation is more than tiring. You obviously don't know the meaning of Spamming, so simply *no* I didn't. I tried to publish relavent material that you are censoring. You have told me not to but because of your biased attitude and allowing the attacks on me to continue I have no choice but to try and circumvent it so just a few more viewers can see the truth of the matter each time. Your argument against it being published are fatuous as everything being said here is the same old baggage and equally not acceptable, but you allow that, it is only me and my information that is being removed = biased moderation.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 12:31:24 GMT
I believe that I asked a similar question, Richard, in order to establish whether you behave differently in person compared with online. I can confirm that Richard Dunn is indeed (or was a few years ago) quite different to his online persona.
The very genuine (not fake at all) bonhomie that I previously evoked on this thread is due, following an enjoyable online series of conversations and dealings, to an invitation from RD for me to visit him at his home. I accepted and we spent a very pleasant afternoon together talking and listening to music. We even joked about me expecting him to be a crabbed grey haired old geezer with a chip on his shoulder, or similar, which he very definitely was not.
A very different experience indeed to what some here may have anticipated from his online behaviour.
That is the relationship I would be very happy to return to, and have asked Richard if he would accept that.
Sorry so many posts I missed this or only skip read. As long as you accept you will not be protected from EOTW, but if you have left pig and are going back to you old persona then I would welcome it, as would members at HFS to your renewal of your equipment review blog there, as many (including me) have praised it.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 12:32:14 GMT
OK Martin I have now seen Jerry's one, what was the other one.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 12:38:56 GMT
Definition of spamming
"Electronic spamming is the use of electronic messaging systems to send unsolicited bulk messages (spam), especially advertising, indiscriminately. While the most widely recognized form of spam is e-mail spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media: instant messaging spam, Usenet newsgroup spam, Web search engine spam, spam in blogs, wiki spam, online classified ads spam, mobile phone messaging spam, Internet forum spam, junk fax transmissions, social spam, television advertising and file sharing spam. It is named after Spam, a luncheon meat, by way of a Monty Python sketch in which Spam is included in every dish.
Spamming remains economically viable because advertisers have no operating costs beyond the management of their mailing lists, and it is difficult to hold senders accountable for their mass mailings. Because the barrier to entry is so low, spammers are numerous, and the volume of unsolicited mail has become very high. In the year 2011, the estimated figure for spam messages is around seven trillion. The costs, such as lost productivity and fraud, are borne by the public and by Internet service providers, which have been forced to add extra capacity to cope with the deluge. Spamming has been the subject of legislation in many jurisdictions.
A person who creates electronic spam is called a spammer.
Forum spam is the creating of messages that are advertisements on Internet forums. It is generally done by automated spambots. Most forum spam consists of links to external sites, with the dual goals of increasing search engine visibility in highly competitive areas such as weight loss, pharmaceuticals, gambling, pornography, real estate or loans, and generating more traffic for these commercial websites. Some of these links contain code to track the spambot's identity; if a sale goes through, the spammer behind the spambot works on commission."
As should be obvious to anyone I have done none of this.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 12:39:29 GMT
OK Martin I have now seen Jerry's one, what was the other one. Pinkie I think, but I don't have time to go back over the thread.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 12:41:27 GMT
Nor do I, it was your point, so back it up.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 12:42:11 GMT
I deal with spam every day and you don't need to give me a definition. It was unsolicited and it was in danger of becoming bulk (= more than one).
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 12:43:52 GMT
Nor do I, it was your point, so back it up. I counted two. Go back and find it yourself. If I hadn't had to trawl through tons of crap, it would be easier to find.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 12:47:00 GMT
in my case to, but you allowed that crap to stand and are only now removing it. you make your bed so you have to lie in it.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 12:49:06 GMT
I deal with spam every day and you don't need to give me a definition. It was unsolicited and it was in danger of becoming bulk (= more than one). And how many by your definition Spam posts were from Marco which my post was answer to, huh! = biased moderation.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 12:55:12 GMT
in my case to, but you allowed that crap to stand and are only now removing it. you make your bed so you have to lie in it. What part of 'I have a day job' are you failing to grasp?
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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2014 12:56:49 GMT
And how many by your definition Spam posts were from Marco which my post was answer to, huh! = biased moderation. Have you gone back and checked? Marco and others had their posts moderated too.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 16, 2014 13:05:15 GMT
About time, now where is their orange bar.
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Post by Marco on Jul 16, 2014 13:32:42 GMT
And how many by your definition Spam posts were from Marco which my post was answer to, huh! = biased moderation. Have you gone back and checked? Marco and others had their posts moderated too. Indeed, and I have no problem with that. It was difficult to know exactly where to draw the line during that rather hectic period of, let's call it, the 'frank exchanging of views'! So my apologies if I stepped out of line. MODERATION: thank you for the apology and let's keep it off name calling now, thanks.
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Post by jandl100 on Jul 16, 2014 13:33:39 GMT
I can confirm that Richard Dunn is indeed (or was a few years ago) quite different to his online persona.
The very genuine (not fake at all) bonhomie that I previously evoked on this thread is due, following an enjoyable online series of conversations and dealings, to an invitation from RD for me to visit him at his home. I accepted and we spent a very pleasant afternoon together talking and listening to music. We even joked about me expecting him to be a crabbed grey haired old geezer with a chip on his shoulder, or similar, which he very definitely was not.
A very different experience indeed to what some here may have anticipated from his online behaviour.
That is the relationship I would be very happy to return to, and have asked Richard if he would accept that.
Sorry so many posts I missed this or only skip read. As long as you accept you will not be protected from EOTW, but if you have left pig and are going back to you old persona then I would welcome it, as would members at HFS to your renewal of your equipment review blog there, as many (including me) have praised it. OK, thanks Richard.
If that means that peace can break out between us then I am happy to accept those conditions.
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Post by Chris on Jul 16, 2014 15:37:44 GMT
I'm not getting at the Moderating - personally I think if yer going to join forums you have to expect not to like everyone you meet or everything they say but you have to respect their right to say it . I can see the weakness in my point though. Rather you lot than me!
No problem here at all but I do like the look of those bar things though and I also like the idea of a big boys section where we can swear and tell inappropriate jokes and the like.
Needless to say an oil rig is not the most PC of places....
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