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Post by John on Jan 10, 2023 18:49:13 GMT
Whilst playing Martin Classical album choice Shostakovich Symphony No.10
I totally get Martin set up and why he has made his choices. His system is designed for something like this. My system gives a fair representation but will never do the kind of sound this track deserves. I have made other choices based on my own listening preferences that are unique to me that is geared to my own preferences.
Music and system building is such a personal experience.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 10, 2023 20:24:46 GMT
Not many people believe me when I say classical is more demanding than rock when it comes to system design.
Thanks for the compliment, your fiver's in the post.
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Post by John on Jan 10, 2023 21:37:45 GMT
I guess it comes down to what we like to hear
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 10, 2023 21:39:31 GMT
Lot more going on I assume
How about complicated rock, say Gentle Giant ?
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Post by John on Jan 10, 2023 21:47:39 GMT
I would argue my system does Dream Theater better (which is usually pretty complex), but this is where bias starts to come in
The thing is the music have different strengths and just because it does not quite pull off a big classical piece of music as it has other strengths. We want different things no perfect system for everything.
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Post by John on Jan 20, 2023 6:04:24 GMT
So what influences the sound I like to hear (in no real order of importance)
Going to lots of live concerts. I have been to 1000s of concerts and love the power of a live band performing.
Playing the guitar. This helped me appreciate tone and phrasing. I want my system to capture this.
My experience with open baffles. Although I no longer use open baffles that big open sound without box colouration was something my ear became used too.
The music I listen too I want my system to convey the music in a way that engages me. Ultimate realism is not the answer for me, instead tone, timbre, mid/bass punch are what matters. I want to be immersed in the music as deeply as I can
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Post by julesd68 on Jan 20, 2023 8:05:15 GMT
Yes tone and timbre crucial for me too, especially string tones - rock guitar and violin. If the gear can't do this it's shown the door pronto ...
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Post by HD Music & Test on Jan 20, 2023 9:04:41 GMT
If it doesn't time, then all the timber in the worlds not going top save it from slipping into the sonic abyss of medicority, that correct carving of the spatial information and it's ability to prtray the recorded event as close as possible its the complete package. Thought for today  I've just looked at the first post on this thread June 2014 Holy moly where has the time gone? doesn't seem that long ago that You, Martin,Chris & Mike kicked this thing off wow I'm quite shocked at the passage of time!
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Post by John on Jan 20, 2023 9:09:51 GMT
Over the summer I went to see a Maiden tribute band as my girlfriend a big maiden fan. As much as I tried I could not get into the band as the drummer and bass player were slightly out of time, it would irritate me. No one else seemed to notice.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 20, 2023 9:51:36 GMT
I've just looked at the first post on this thread June 2014 Holy moly where has the time gone? doesn't seem that long ago that You, Martin,Chris & Mike kicked this thing off wow I'm quite shocked at the passage of time! The forum is now over 8 years old. You're right, it's pretty amazing and doesn't feel that long ago. If we had known then what we were taking on...  |
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Post by nicholas on Jan 20, 2023 14:13:24 GMT
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jan 20, 2023 16:21:30 GMT
Over the summer I went to see a Maiden tribute band as my girlfriend a big maiden fan. As much as I tried I could not get into the band as the drummer and bass player were slightly out of time, it would irritate me. No one else seemed to notice. The curse of playing a instrument, you never hear things quite the same again. |
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Post by MartinT on Jan 20, 2023 20:03:22 GMT
I can't imagine a drummer hearing anything other than his drums. Does that mean the drummer should lead and the bassist keep time with them?
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Post by mattspl on Jan 20, 2023 20:45:12 GMT
I was a drummer in a youth brass band when I was about 12. Great fun.
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Post by John on Jan 20, 2023 21:12:45 GMT
Usually a clock track but drums are good to lock into
I guess all bands can have a bad day
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jan 20, 2023 22:31:31 GMT
I can't imagine a drummer hearing anything other than his drums. Does that mean the drummer should lead and the bassist keep time with them? Thats what a is monitor for.... Back in my drumming days, although you be responsible for time keeping, you would also follow the bass player. Generally, it's a sign they haven't reheased enough or played together long enough. After playing with a line up for a period,you can generally predit 95% of the time, and get to a Zen state, that your expressing, and not thinking of timing, it becomes a feel thing. Almost comunication without words
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Post by Slinger on Jan 20, 2023 22:59:22 GMT
... The curse of playing a instrument, you never hear things quite the same again. Amen to that. My late wife would often give me " the look" as I told her exactly what every member of the band was doing wrong, or could have done better.  Mind you, she never let me forget that I was " sacked" - along with the singer - from the band he and I had started as a folk duo for a little pub gig, and which ended up as a 7-piece covers band playing to 3,000 people at a big charity bash. |
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Post by Slinger on Jan 20, 2023 23:08:01 GMT
I can't imagine a drummer hearing anything other than his drums. Does that mean the drummer should lead and the bassist keep time with them? The drummer and the bassist should " lock" together and form what is, if you like, the engine-room of the band. Neither drives the other, a good pairing should just synch, and the rest of the band follows their lead. Most pros and semi-pros have in ear monitoring today, rather than relying on those big old wedges you'd see at the front of the stage. This also means that the lead guitarist has got nothing to put one foot on in an attewmpt to look cool and aggressive diuring his solo now.  |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jan 20, 2023 23:24:19 GMT
... The curse of playing a instrument, you never hear things quite the same again. Amen to that. My late wife would often give me " the look" as I told her exactly what every member of the band was doing wrong, or could have done better. Mind you, she never let me forget that I was " sacked" - along with the singer - from the band he and I had started as a folk duo for a little pub gig, and which ended up as a 7-piece covers band playing to 3,000 people at a big charity bash. Glad I'm not the only one then, I honestly think playing a instrument can also take away the magic, you never hear things the same again. And although I love my HI-FI setup, I regularly listen from a phone speaker,and still enjoy the music,if it's a good tune, it will still stand out to you |
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Post by julesd68 on Jan 20, 2023 23:32:52 GMT
Amen to that. My late wife would often give me " the look" as I told her exactly what every member of the band was doing wrong, or could have done better. Mind you, she never let me forget that I was " sacked" - along with the singer - from the band he and I had started as a folk duo for a little pub gig, and which ended up as a 7-piece covers band playing to 3,000 people at a big charity bash. Glad I'm not the only one then, I honestly think playing a instrument can also take away the magic, you never hear things the same again. And although I love my HI-FI setup, I regularly listen from a phone speaker,and still enjoy the music,if it's a good tune, it will still stand out to you 'Due to circumstances beyond our control' I have to listen from a phone more often than I would like, but you are totally right there ... |
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