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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 16:05:46 GMT
I don't understand anyone wanting to listen to music that's poorly reproduced. The quality of the sound surely has to be a deal breaker because an unpleasant sound is just that. Music for its own sake is pointless to me. It either sounds pleasurable or it doesn't and that depends on how it's performed, recorded and reproduced.
of course I'm not only a lover of hifi and music. I'm into the design and aesthetics too. It's definitely not all about the music for me, but it still has to sound compelling when it plays music.
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Post by nrg on Apr 2, 2018 19:33:36 GMT
I don't think so. Russ Andrews has propounded a theory that cables 'acquire' directionality after a period of time. It's a fair theory and means that a cable may, for a period of time, be running sub optimally but it will eventually settle down into the new direction. But, once again, I offer a simple experiment which is not taken up. I suggest doing it with speaker cables as they are usually constructed the same both ends and do not have a screen. To interject and to be picky that’s a belief not a theory. Having been there with RA on mains cables and interconnects my experience tells me it’s bunk. I’ve tried reversing ‘speaker cables and found no difference same with interconnects that have the same end construction. I’ve already reported on my mains fuse findings and haven’t changed my opinion since, YMMV... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 19:36:26 GMT
Well right there is the difference between an audiophile and someone who simply enjoys music for what it is. I doubt there ever will be an understanding of these two views, especially by an audiophile - it's beyond their belief system of what motivates them with music and why they enjoy. The two are very different and if audiophiles don't understand it I doubt they ever will, as they cannot separate the two things. Going further, if people are constantly seeking improvement and changing equipment/peripherals in their system then its virtually impossible - the music becomes a test signal. Have fun guys  Nope. Not in any way. Music is wonderful. Better kit allows you to hear more music. I would hate to go backwards on kit and lose so much of the magic I bet they don't use SR Blue Fuses and fancy cables in the recording studio where the music is recorded, so what benefit do you get from replaying the music through the additional audiophile paraphernalia? I am con"fuse"d. |
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Post by julesd68 on Apr 2, 2018 20:28:47 GMT
I've never really bought into this oft quoted idea that if a recording studio don't use a certain bit of kit then you don't need it at home either. I also think it's a fallacy to think that everything in a recording studio is geared towards best sound quality. Most studios nowadays work in an entirely digital domain so am I meant to ditch my tubes and vinyl? And who surveys all the kit they use anyway?
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Post by MartinT on Apr 2, 2018 21:43:55 GMT
It's about getting the very best from what's on the recording. Whatever the studio used, that's what you're left with. Now get the most musical enjoyment from it.
Yes, I've heard this kind of argument before. Rather like the miles of transmission cables from the power station so how can a 1m cable make a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 21:57:44 GMT
But to extract more detail, it has to be there in the first place.
If studio type cables are not up to the job at home, which should it be any different at the studio?
Surely the information will be missing at the source, so you won’t be able to extract it at home?
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Post by Greg on Apr 2, 2018 22:48:01 GMT
I find it unbelievable that intelligent people who apply sound logic in their everyday living seem to abandon it as soon as they start considering their listening systems, and without any descernable rational consideration will invest in foo products regardless. FFS, simple look at the other rubbish foo products SR offer and if you are a rational intelligent person, how could you possibly be sucked in?
Searching and finding the holy grail of hi-fi is a goal many of us have wanted and worked towards, but it is unachievable. Finding satisfaction with the best you can achieve within your budget is. Thereafter, spending money on silly fuses, pebbles, crystals, quantum tunnelled connectors or RCA blanks etc is just a waste of that money. That includes the boxes Martin has added to the back of his speakers. We don’t know what is inside these boxes but if it is anything, it is probably a simple filter which is altering the function of the speaker crossover. Probably not a good idea.
Hey ho, each to their own but I bulk considerably when nonsense ‘black magic’ is being promoted, maybe even shilled here. This stuff is absolute rubbish and should never be considered by the discerning listener.
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 2, 2018 23:12:51 GMT
Any hint of an accusation of shilling can stop right there Greg please.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 3, 2018 7:03:09 GMT
But to extract more detail, it has to be there in the first place. I specifically said "that's what you're left with. Now get the most musical enjoyment from it." |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 3, 2018 7:12:55 GMT
That includes the boxes Martin has added to the back of his speakers. We don’t know what is inside these boxes but if it is anything, it is probably a simple filter which is altering the function of the speaker crossover. Probably not a good idea. Fantastic that you pay so much attention to what I have, Greg. You still don't seem to understand the concept of trying a fuse for yourself. Stating assumptions without any experience just makes your pronouncements look silly. As for the SPEC RSP-901EX units (warning, their website contains hilarious Japlish), do you remember KEF's efforts years ago to create a crossover that is easy on an amplifier? What they did essentially was add components to invert the nasty impedance curve to try to make it a pure resistive load across the frequency spectrum. The Japanese SPEC units try to do something similar, albeit more generic. This is why you have to try things on your system. I tried them and liked what they did for my speakers: subtle but greater midrange air and space. We also tried them on Mike's TAD speakers: much less of an effect and probably not worth him having. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 7:39:43 GMT
But to extract more detail, it has to be there in the first place. I specifically said "that's what you're left with. Now get the most musical enjoyment from it." The point is that it almost seems like a waste of money to buy anything different from what a recording studio uses in terms of the cabling in a system. Anything else is just altering the sound to your preference, which could be argued as not being HiFi? |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 3, 2018 7:50:36 GMT
No, I don't believe that's correct. If you use just what the studio used, you are adding more of the same loss into the chain. What you should try to do is minimise any further losses.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 3, 2018 14:21:28 GMT
I find it unbelievable that intelligent people who apply sound logic in their everyday living seem to abandon it as soon as they start considering their listening systems, and without any descernable rational consideration will invest in foo products regardless. FFS, simple look at the other rubbish foo products SR offer and if you are a rational intelligent person, how could you possibly be sucked in? Searching and finding the holy grail of hi-fi is a goal many of us have wanted and worked towards, but it is unachievable. Finding satisfaction with the best you can achieve within your budget is. Thereafter, spending money on silly fuses, pebbles, crystals, quantum tunnelled connectors or RCA blanks etc is just a waste of that money. That includes the boxes Martin has added to the back of his speakers. We don’t know what is inside these boxes but if it is anything, it is probably a simple filter which is altering the function of the speaker crossover. Probably not a good idea. Hey ho, each to their own but I bulk considerably when nonsense ‘black magic’ is being promoted, maybe even shilled here. This stuff is absolute rubbish and should never be considered by the discerning listener. Wrong, wrong, wrong Are you a professional disruptor or is it in your nature to try and wind people up ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 15:21:07 GMT
AC voltage will have electrons flowing in an oscillating manner, and not in the path of least resistance. Afternoon Wonky I feel a little clarification maybe in order:- AC voltage say mains (50Hz in the UK, as 50 cycles per second) displays a sinusoidal wave form which can change directions (as in reverses) occasionally and will seek to follow the path of least resistance. However if all paths are of an equal value of resistance then it still follows the path of least resistance by default!) However if you have ever looked at music under a scope the patterns are very complex and never the same again due to the sheer amount of music that is available this is an AC signal. |
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Post by scotty38 on Apr 3, 2018 15:27:05 GMT
AC voltage will have electrons flowing in an oscillating manner, and not in the path of least resistance. Afternoon Wonky I feel a little clarification maybe in order:- AC voltage say mains (50Hz in the UK, as 50 cycles per second) displays a sinusoidal wave form which can change directions (as in reverses) occasionally and will seek to follow the path of least resistance. However if all paths are of an equal value of resistance then it still follows the path of least resistance by default!) However if you have ever looked at music under a scope the patterns are very complex and never the same again due to the sheer amount of music that is available this is an AC signal. Surely voltage is the potential difference that allows a current to "flow"? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 15:42:00 GMT
Scotty
Voltage is the push force. current is the load simply put (EMF)
This can be expressed by the following formula I=E/R I is the current in amperes, E is the voltage R is the resistance in ohms
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Post by scotty38 on Apr 3, 2018 16:04:21 GMT
Scotty Voltage is the push force. current is the load simply put (EMF) This can be expressed by the following formula I=E/R I is the current in amperes, E is the voltage R is the resistance in ohms Thanks, I wasn't asking to be taught Ohm's law and that doesn't really address what I was asking you either. You picked someone up regarding their comment yet appeared to maintain the view that voltage flows. That's what I was commenting on.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 16:07:18 GMT
I know music is similar to an AC waveform. If it was DC, it would sound pretty crap, as my speaker cone would not move the way it does.
Following the path of least resistance? It will flow wherever there is a path available.
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Post by TheMooN on Apr 3, 2018 16:55:12 GMT
But to extract more detail, it has to be there in the first place. Of course it is WC. For my part I prefer an analogy that 20x5mm fuses are just another componant integrated into the power supply circuit of and directly in line with the current rail of an item of equipment, and therefore play a small but influential part in the linear performance of said circuit and its ability to perform more optimally than an standard 20p glass fuse. The net resulting in said equipment suffering less of the degrading effect that the latter imposes upon said equipment. Consider it not as 'magically discovering' 1's and 0's that were never there in the recording....More that a small yet percievable percentage of that recorded information is no longer masked / veiled / revealed etc.etc and so becomes more audible. |
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Post by dsjr on Apr 3, 2018 17:34:00 GMT
Some audio cables seem to exhibit sonic directionality. After a while, it seems to settle. The stuff I use now doesn't have a direction at all and that suits me just fine so I can fit and forget.
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