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Post by MartinT on Feb 21, 2018 10:01:27 GMT
And you have reason to believe the 16A MCB on the dedicated radial won't flip and do its job?  Seriously, did anybody bloody say that? You need to READ what has been written and stop making assumptions before commenting further! |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 21, 2018 10:03:19 GMT
How is a copper bar too much of a mismatch versus a fuse and whatever material it's made of? I was commenting from a sound quality point of view (better that matching cable be used than a copper bar), not from a safety point of view. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 21, 2018 10:09:01 GMT
Still listening and barely believing the improvement of SR blue over SR Red.
I was hoping for subtle, not sure if there would be much difference if any.
It has been a big change.
Even Robin Trower - RT@RO 08 - a live album has so much more detail.
The guys may not be playing in my room but they are a lot closer.
This concludes my first stage of listening.
I will be back later with another Red - Blue comparison to see if my ears are really telling me the truth.
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Post by pinkie on Feb 21, 2018 10:12:38 GMT
And you have reason to believe the 16A MCB on the dedicated radial won't flip and do its job? Seriously, did anybody bloody say that? You need to READ what has been written and stop making assumptions before commenting further! You can't double protect. If the MCB is going to trip, chances are it will do so before the fuse gets a chance to blow. |
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Post by pinkie on Feb 21, 2018 10:13:29 GMT
How is a copper bar too much of a mismatch versus a fuse and whatever material it's made of? I was commenting from a sound quality point of view (better that matching cable be used than a copper bar), not from a safety point of view. What are the pins of your plugs made from? Stranded cable? |
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 21, 2018 10:16:56 GMT
How is a copper bar too much of a mismatch versus a fuse and whatever material it's made of? I was commenting from a sound quality point of view (better that matching cable be used than a copper bar), not from a safety point of view. So was I, so could you explain, on that basis, how it's more of a mismatch taking into context my comment regarding materials of the various elements? |
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 21, 2018 10:18:36 GMT
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 21, 2018 10:24:59 GMT
Good grief, what is it with this rather tedious focus on BS? Does the lack of BS suddenly make the fuse unsafe or liable to explode? Does every other country in the world refuse to use a fuse that is not BS marked? It's still a FUSE and is designed to PROTECT. A copper bar certainly will cause the cable to fail first, which could be quite catast What evidence is there to show this? We know a copper bar does not, but there is no proof these fuses do. Google is your friend Master custard. linkhttps://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/synergistic-research-black-fuese |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 21, 2018 10:30:18 GMT
You can't double protect. If the MCB is going to trip, chances are it will do so before the fuse gets a chance to blow. Well, blow me. Thank you for talking me through that, I never would have grasped it all on my own. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 10:35:52 GMT
There are a couple of circular arguments here.
1. Safety.
2. Compliance.
It seems to me that nothing new is being said on either front. As the point of this thread was the impact on sound It seems like a diversion once it's been covered a few times.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 21, 2018 10:38:59 GMT
Yes, I agree. Please bring your comments back to the sound quality changes, if any, that you hear when changing fuses.
If you have nothing to add to this subject, there are plenty of other threads to contribute to.
Thank you.
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Post by pinkie on Feb 21, 2018 10:42:38 GMT
Of course Martin
From a sound quality point of view how is stranded cable in the fuse holder going to be better than a metal bar, when the pins on the plug are made of metal bars, so it is not cable either side of the fuse but metal bar on one side of it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 10:50:33 GMT
Apologies if I'm wrong but I took Martin's point to be that a continuation of the same cable would be the closest thing to wiring the live cable to the live pin.
Now I know that they carry signal, but the same argument is used for running speaker cables through both bi- wire terminals. Lots of people have reported an improvement over those flat, bi wire jumpers.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 21, 2018 10:59:56 GMT
Apologies if I'm wrong but I took Martin's point to be that a continuation of the same cable would be the closest thing to wiring the live cable to the live pin. That was my thinking. |
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 21, 2018 11:10:53 GMT
Apologies if I'm wrong but I took Martin's point to be that a continuation of the same cable would be the closest thing to wiring the live cable to the live pin. That was my thinking. That, in itself, would make sense however the comparison was copper bar/stranded cable versus fuse. What you're saying, therefore, is that a fuse is better matched to its surroundings than a copper bar and that's what I'd like to hear explained, particularly in the context of the mains plug itself which has been mentioned a couple of times too now. |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 21, 2018 11:18:49 GMT
I can't really say that, Scotty. In my mind, I would want to hear the effects of the fuse with no other changes. That to me ideally means a soldered link made of the same stuff as the cable itself, not a copper bar. It's just a mental exercise to eliminate other variables.
I don't need to do the 'copper bar' experiment to hear the changes so it's academic for me as I can hear quite clearly what a standard fuse, an SR Red and an SR Blue do to the sound quality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 14:53:22 GMT
It might be worth reading this again - link |
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Post by Slinger on Feb 21, 2018 15:34:29 GMT
You know that old joke about "if the black box is the only part of a plane they expect to survive a crash then why don't they make planes of the same material?" Well, if these fuses contribute so much to the signal chain...  Sorry, I've been resisting that one for days but finally had to surrender to my warped sense of humour.  |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 21, 2018 16:03:42 GMT
Well, if these fuses contribute so much remove so little to the signal chain... There, fixed that for you  |
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 21, 2018 16:40:02 GMT
You know that old joke about "if the black box is the only part of a plane they expect to survive a crash then why don't they make planes of the same material?" Well, if these fuses contribute so much to the signal chain... Sorry, I've been resisting that one for days but finally had to surrender to my warped sense of humour. Wonderful ! |
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Sorry, I've been resisting that one for days but finally had to surrender to my warped sense of humour. 
