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Post by MartinT on Feb 20, 2018 17:33:28 GMT
SR reading from left to right, input to output.
Or do you mean rotational orientation? No idea and can't control it in the panel fuseholder in the P10 anyway.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 20, 2018 18:05:39 GMT
SR Blue arrived today.
What to expect ? Not sure.
Set up with tea and banana loaf. Always a good move.
Listen with SR Red feeding my Audio Magic conditioner.
Start track, adjust volume, that's right, listen a bit more.
Back to the start of the track. Listen again.
Swap to SR Blue, via the super fussy circuit breaker tripping, out to the board to reset and back.
All back on. (Why does the Belles Pre take so long to get ready when it's been on ?!)
Start track.
Surprise, doubt both ears and brain.
I can hear the 'room'. More detail, it's 'louder' more oomph, bass, width.
Comparus interruptus :
Before the track finishes one of the dogs throws up, fortunately on a dog bed.
Try to hustle just her outside for the certain 2nd part and more.
Three other dogs decide this is their moment to make a mad dash into the outside.
Manage to keep the worst runner in by skill or luck and a foot.
The benefits of 6 dogs
Right. Grab the dog bed so I can lob the solid lump deposited onto the flower bed.
Coming back in I notice I trod in either dirt, hopefully not 'dirt' so I have marked the light cream carpet.
Track still playing.
Light and will power going so decide to adjourn, reboot my brain and do again tomorrow, with maybe extra ears to listen.
Before I finish back to the last Michael Shrieve track I played before. This is like a different track.
Next CD Culturemix with Bill Nelson. Not heard this sound this good before have I ?
More tomorrow when the Blue has settled a bit more.
Current status:
This seems like a keeper and a vital part of the system
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 20, 2018 18:34:50 GMT
MODERATION: Baggage removed..with the internal 20mm power rail fuses I have always gone with S>R (having ABABAB,d ) that orientation several times however....Having picked up an used burnt in 13amp black to feed my pre until I go Schuko I was somewhat dissatisfied with the result after a good 4 hours of system warm up time...Hmmmmmmm, WTF spin the fuse so R upstream S downstream and whoosh.... Mahoosive sound stage, timbre, tonality and decay...
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 20, 2018 19:16:01 GMT
MODERATION: Baggage removed
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 20, 2018 19:37:52 GMT
I will check the orientation of mine tomorrow.
Currently listening to Mark Stewart - Politics of Envy
More power, width and detail than I have heard before.
Bonkers
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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 20, 2018 19:46:32 GMT
Blah blah blah blah...MODERATION: Baggage removed...blah blah blah blah Which bit about leaving your baggage at the door do you misunderstand? |
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 20, 2018 20:15:17 GMT
Mr Moon, you have been repeatedly asked to keep your outside battles off this forum.
One more breach of this rule and there will be a more serious sanction.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 20:53:15 GMT
The test I want to see is SR fuse vs copper bar. The differences reported by many people seem to way exceed what I'd expect from removing a fuse. SR themselves claim the effects of the fuse extend beyond it and impact other areas of the mains. Once I can get my hands on an SR blue, I will try this. I'm surprised others apart from Gazjam haven't, but at least it will make me find out for myself.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 20, 2018 21:12:56 GMT
In the interests of science and who knows how much safety apparatus to make it legal perhaps.
I wouldn't risk it or go near the experiment with a bargepole.
One fuse into the block or similar is required and shouldn't be avoided. Schuko after that seems legal
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 20, 2018 21:26:16 GMT
Rainer - The Westwood sessions sounds superb. So much I've never heard before
Can anyone find it to listen to ?
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Post by MartinT on Feb 20, 2018 21:51:27 GMT
The test I want to see is SR fuse vs copper bar. I'm not sure a copper bar is the best comparison or link to use. I'd prefer a soldered link. However, I'll do no such test and I wouldn't sanction anyone else doing it either. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 21:58:32 GMT
I have doubled up fuses: Multi block with a fuse, plus individual plug fuses, so I'm not worried about trying it here. Ours is also EU spec radial mains circuits with rcbs. I actually have a gold plated fuse blank. Would a soldered link still be better for comparison?
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Post by MartinT on Feb 20, 2018 22:02:55 GMT
I know you'll do it safely, Andrew, I just don't want anyone in the UK who doesn't know what they're doing trying it.
A gold plated fuse blank sounds better for comparison as I guess you're eliminating (or in fact including) the contacts. I think a copper bar is too much of a mismatch for the cables either side of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 22:08:56 GMT
I should really have tried the gold plated blank long ago. When I wanted to try it last year, I couldn't find the thing, since I rediscovered it (when looking for something else) I have just been lazy because I expect little or no difference. I won't know unless I try though.
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 20, 2018 22:32:20 GMT
MODERATION: Baggage removed..with the internal 20mm power rail fuses I have always gone with S>R (having ABABAB,d ) that orientation several times however....Having picked up an used burnt in 13amp black to feed my pre until I go Schuko I was somewhat dissatisfied with the result after a good 4 hours of system warm up time...Hmmmmmmm, WTF spin the fuse so R upstream S downstream and whoosh.... Mahoosive sound stage, timbre, tonality and decay... You say you were dissatisfied but how would you describe your system? You say you had a mahoosive sound stage with the fuse oriented R to S. How bad was it the other way and has your system always been that bad? Really curious on how much better it is as it sounds like a night and day difference and that's the bit I'm struggling with.... |
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Post by nrg on Feb 20, 2018 23:23:19 GMT
The test I want to see is SR fuse vs copper bar. The differences reported by many people seem to way exceed what I'd expect from removing a fuse. SR themselves claim the effects of the fuse extend beyond it and impact other areas of the mains. Once I can get my hands on an SR blue, I will try this. I'm surprised others apart from Gazjam haven't, but at least it will make me find out for myself. I've done it and find anyone saying they won't sanction it as 'churlish' especially as they seem to be using fuses that do not comply to BS standards. I apologise as that is rude but it needs to be said. For me I found no difference, zero, replacing the Bussman fuses with 1/4" solid copper rod. Saying the link needs to be soldered is just rubbish, the copper rod can carry a much greater constant current and pulse current. If the contacts are secure and clean then it is better than any fuse...unless people are saying there is an active component in their special fuse....which I doubt. As for mismatch for the cables either side!? What! You are trying to ascertain if there is a difference, no one is recommending you leave the dam things in! I removed mine rods and put the Bussmans back in. As a side note I've found balanced mains improves the sound of my Lenco and Phono no end...I'm quite taken aback as it happens but it made no difference to my amp. Go figure. |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 21, 2018 6:32:33 GMT
Really curious on how much better it is as it sounds like a night and day difference and that's the bit I'm struggling with.... For me personally, I would never describe the effects of these fuses as night-and-day. That's a ridiculous expression but I agree it's often used. The good fuses (SR Red and especially Blue) have a subtle but very discernible and repeatable effect on soundstage, purity and natural dynamics, bringing you closer to the music. They are pointless unless your system is already working well and are not a Band-Aid for anything limiting current performance. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 6:36:20 GMT
You won’t sanction copper bars, but are happy with a fuse that does not conform to BS standards and that you do not know
If it fuses in a safe way?
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Post by MartinT on Feb 21, 2018 6:41:41 GMT
Good grief, what is it with this rather tedious focus on BS? Does the lack of BS suddenly make the fuse unsafe or liable to explode? Does every other country in the world refuse to use a fuse that is not BS marked?
It's still a FUSE and is designed to PROTECT. A copper bar certainly will cause the cable to fail first, which could be quite catastrophic.
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Post by scotty38 on Feb 21, 2018 7:29:34 GMT
Really curious on how much better it is as it sounds like a night and day difference and that's the bit I'm struggling with.... For me personally, I would never describe the effects of these fuses as night-and-day. That's a ridiculous expression but I agree it's often used. Totally agree with you but regarding the expression it was the only way I could describe the improvement being suggested by the poster my comment was directed towards. |
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