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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 13, 2017 20:21:40 GMT
As a registered, official cheapskate it pains me greatly that the accessories I have work.
They cost but deliver great value for money.
I spent some time and press ganged the boss and her wonderful one working ear to be very certain before I committed to buying.
Each time I tried something that seemed unlikely it worked - damn !
Started with a Sound Org table, then a dedicated mains for the kit, some illegal elctrickery I won't mention, Mana tables and then quiet for many years before going into mains cables, interconnects and more
Are fuses the most incredible to believe or supports , or some other .......the magic Coherent socket, the Black Ravioli supports, the Creaktiv racks, Steve electricbeach S1NX platform, the wobbly Townshend speaker stands ?
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Post by Greg on Jan 13, 2017 20:23:06 GMT
Interesting discussion albeit one that gets visited over and over again. The latest being discussed elsewhere is 'Synergistic Research Black Quantum fuses at £90 a pop, literally. Now when I read a name like that I immediately suspect snake oil. These fuses apparently have Graphene in their construction so considering some of the claims made regarding this material, leading to two scientists being awarded the Nobel Peace prize, keeping an open mind on how they affect a systems sound is probably a good idea. It is for the individual to decide whether they think any sound change is worth £90 per application. A system could have several applications, so an 'upgrade' for multiple fuses could be expensive.
There will always be the objectivists who will declare any perceived improvement in sound must be psycho-acoustic or the placebo effect. If that is the actual case, yet the listener still perceives a worthwhile improvement, one could argue tha £90 is still money well spent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 20:26:49 GMT
Is there any possibility that these fuses could be better for the sound than no fuse at all? I can't see how, but what do I know? I'm not really fixed to try any right now but when the opportunity arises I think I might dabble.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 13, 2017 20:31:27 GMT
No, I really think not Andrew. They don't have magical properties, they just do a better job than a standard fuse.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 13, 2017 20:34:38 GMT
I assume no fuse is better than the most expensive.
Swapping to a mains block with Schuko outputs would be cheaper and so far as I know legal in the UK
Maybe the unobtainium in the most expensive fuses would prove me wrong
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Post by MartinT on Jan 13, 2017 20:37:01 GMT
Hard wiring your P10 to a dedicated outlet will give you more and eliminate one fuse (but remember there's one on the rear panel which needs to be a good one).
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 13, 2017 20:39:59 GMT
Makes sense.
Did you test it out, if so what sort of improvement ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 20:41:09 GMT
Sounds like a plan. Presumably any internal fuses can be replaced with a metal bar? Somebody used to sell gold plated ones to replace fuses. I have two of these which I only found again (along with the Marigo Labs CD mat) when I packed up and moved. Pointless trying anything here as the sound is poor, but I will get a chance later in the year.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 13, 2017 20:47:49 GMT
The rear panel one? It's an SR Black and it made a good difference to tiny detail and a slightly more natural presentation.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 13, 2017 20:53:02 GMT
Sounds like a plan. Presumably any internal fuses can be replaced with a metal bar? Somebody used to sell gold plated ones to replace fuses. I have two of these which I only found again (along with the Marigo Labs CD mat) when I packed up and moved. Pointless trying anything here as the sound is poor, but I will get a chance later in the year. Nononono do not replace an internal fuse with a bar. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 13, 2017 20:54:29 GMT
The rear panel one? It's an SR Black and it made a good difference to tiny detail and a slightly more natural presentation. Just to check. i meant the direct mains connection to a socket comparison |
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Post by MartinT on Jan 13, 2017 20:59:00 GMT
No, can't compare directly as my Coherent 6D cable was de-plugged and installed directly. From memory, a really big step up, much more than a fuse change.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 13, 2017 21:29:04 GMT
Oh !
I must look at that seriously then.
Can bring a 6D on my visit to confirm
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Post by ant on Jan 14, 2017 0:07:47 GMT
Remember a fuse is there for a reason. I could never advocate deleting them from the piece of equipment. I have seen what happens when there is an fault on a piece of equipment that had a 13a fuse instead of a 3a fuse. Taking them out completely is a bad idea
The fuse is there to stop your house potentially burning down in the event of fault conditions. Spend 90 quid on a fuse, hell, spend a couple of hundred quid on them for all your equipment.
The idea of defeating a safety device that is a requirement on any mains equipment seems to me to be taking things too far.
Spend the money, risking a potential hazard for the sake of perceived improvements in a ruddy audio system is a step too far in my book
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 14, 2017 9:41:41 GMT
I'd echo the comments from Ant above.
As for magic fuses, I have never tried one and almost certainly never will, but if people want to spend 90 quid on one, then that's fine. If it makes an improvement, real or imagined, it's done it's job, hasn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 13:31:15 GMT
Just to clarify, I use a multi block which is fused and I also use individual 13a plugs which are also fused. I was intending to do away with one or other, but not both. If it makes a difference I may go down the schucko route. I don't know if any of my growing collection of amps have internal fuses because they are all farmed out to mates in Blighty for now. When I get a chance to dabble later in the year I will probably try one of the fuses recommended if there's an internal fuse I can replace. I have no problem with trying anything on 90 day approval. I win either way: It doesn't work and I get to try for free; it does work and I get a cheap upgrade that I can bang in about and make the objectivists mad in the process! Definitely a win-win  |
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Post by gazjam on Jan 14, 2017 14:00:57 GMT
Phew...this ones got noticed!  Had went as far as dry wiping fuses and noticed an improvement before, but never thought about foo fuses at all. Came across this thread by accident actually on AudioGon forum here: forum.audiogon.com/discussions/synergistic-red-fuse (all 60 odd pages of it) Consistent pattern of these things being *good* and a few of the guys opinions posting on there I'd trust not to be making it up. So took a punt, 30 day trial why not? Agree with the opinions on that AudioGon thread, better upgrade than any cable swap Ive done. Would never bypass an internal fuse personally, The sound is so good with it in and I like knowing my equipment is protected, so a step too far for me. Its always good knowing your kits running at its best, with these I fit n forget and say job done. Its bonkers pricing for 'just a fuse', I get that... but the sound per pound improvement (to me in my system) is off the chart. Sharing experiece..Its what Forums are for innit? |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 14, 2017 14:23:04 GMT
Fuses are just one of the tweaks that have come about by people wondering 'what if'.
I am very much in favour and wish the manufacturers would at least acknowledge it.
I have some great kit that would be strangled if I took away the unswitched mains socket, after market mains cables, interconects, fuses and supports
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Post by MartinT on Jan 14, 2017 14:25:15 GMT
I agree and prefer to leave fuses in place for the protection they're designed for.
I have bought 20mm and 1¼" special fuses for rear panel and internal positions where I know about them. The cumulative effect is what you should aim for.
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Post by malcolm on Jan 14, 2017 14:29:41 GMT
I'd echo the comments from Ant above. As for magic fuses, I have never tried one and almost certainly never will, but if people want to spend 90 quid on one, then that's fine. If it makes an improvement, real or imagined, it's done it's job, hasn't it? Yes, it's what you think you hear that's important. For those who think they hear a difference then it is irrelevant as to whether it is real or imagined. £90.00 to trick the mind could well be good value; even better if it also makes a real difference. The only danger is that it can induce audiophile paranoia in others. Personally, a quick think about all the other components and connecting wires within my chain of equipment leads me to think that any differences from changing a fuse will not be worth the bother or expense. The trouble is, if I spent £90.00 on a fuse I would feel the need to analyse the extent to which my own psychological processes were influencing my assessment - my (paranoid) imagination, being a powerful force, could easily lead to me being ripped off but more importantly distract me from enjoying the music. |
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