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Post by The Brookmeister on Jan 19, 2018 19:15:35 GMT
Blue's in the house, Martin will have his next week (Uk plug fuses anyway)
Well my take on this is no one with a brain would spend £130 on a fuse and NOT send it back if they heard no improvement, correct?
Guess what? Non returned out of 80 sold so far. Almost every person who purchased 1 comes back for more.
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Post by The Brookmeister on Jan 19, 2018 19:20:15 GMT
They are both fuses, just one of them has a UK safety certification. And the other might blow if a fault condition occurs, if we're lucky? Of course you'd have to pray that the fault condition never occurs, because a replacement like for like is so damned expensive. Chief, don't know where you are going with this but the fuse in the mains plug never blows, its there to protect the mains lead only, nothing else. Your scaremongering is pointless as people can decide for themselves if they want to go down the audiophile fuse route. |
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Post by The Brookmeister on Jan 19, 2018 19:20:53 GMT
 They are widely available (at a lot less than £90). and your point is? |
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Post by The Brookmeister on Jan 19, 2018 20:00:31 GMT
BTW it looks like we may be having a fuse bake off soon, anyone care to attend?  |
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Post by MartinT on Jan 19, 2018 20:03:12 GMT
I think some of these 'opinions' are from those who have never tried one. Replace a standard fuse with, say, an SR Red and you tend to laugh out loud at the improvement. Yes, they are pricy. Yes, the improvement is worth it if your system responds to it.
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Post by Stratmangler on Jan 20, 2018 11:55:33 GMT
And the other might blow if a fault condition occurs, if we're lucky? Of course you'd have to pray that the fault condition never occurs, because a replacement like for like is so damned expensive. Chief, don't know where you are going with this but the fuse in the mains plug never blows, its there to protect the mains lead only, nothing else. Your scaremongering is pointless as people can decide for themselves if they want to go down the audiophile fuse route. No scaremongering Chief. Just asking questions that nobody seems to want to answer, and everyone seems keen to overlook and brush under the carpet. And the bit about the fuse never blowing is utter bollocks - it's rare, but it does happen, especially under a fault condition, which is why fuses are fitted in the first place. These fuses (which you also list on your website) actually do have appropriate safety and conformity certification.  So the questions get asked again. Where is the appropriate safety and conformity certification, and why do the devices from Synergistic Research not carry the marks? How do insurers stand on home owners fitting "safety" devices that don't appear to have appropriate safety and conformity certification? As far I'm concerned folk can stick whatever they want in the fuse holders in their plugs and equipment. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 20, 2018 12:06:42 GMT
Ask the question of almost anyone : Would you pay £10 for a fuse ? (let alone more) 99.9% will say no Compare an SR to another fuse in a reasonable system and ask listeners, (without telling them what you did) Would you pay £100 for this improvement ? 99% will says Yes, emphatically. Tell them it was a fuse and they will struggle to believe and may also say "Don't tell anyone I bought one" |
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Post by MartinT on Jan 20, 2018 12:47:28 GMT
The mechanism by which a fuse can impact sound quality is easier to understand than a cable, to be honest.
As I've said many times already: try one and have an opinion. Don't try one and your opinion is worthless.
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Post by Stratmangler on Jan 20, 2018 13:19:26 GMT
The mechanism by which a fuse can impact sound quality is easier to understand than a cable, to be honest. As I've said many times already: try one and have an opinion. Don't try one and your opinion is worthless. I don't have an opinion on whether or not the devices in question change perceived sound in any way, shape, or form. I'm not all that interested, truth be told. I am fed up with folk dodging around what is a simple and straightforward set of questions. Is it tested according to electrical safety regulations? Why does it not carry the various international electrical safety conformity markings? Lack of such markings raises doubt about the first bit having been performed. Simple questions, and so much wasted bandwidth ignoring the elephant in the room, which is that so far nobody has come forward with a set of yes/no answers. |
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Post by tony on Jan 20, 2018 14:10:15 GMT
Chris,
If you come up with Colin next week to deliver the Eddingdales I can swap out my phonosphie fuses and hear for yourself if it makes any difference.
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Post by Stratmangler on Jan 20, 2018 14:26:27 GMT
Chris, If you come up with Colin next week to deliver the Eddingdales I can swap out my phonosphie fuses and hear for yourself if it makes any difference. Thanks Tony. It will be interesting to have a listen. |
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Post by MartinT on Jan 20, 2018 14:28:00 GMT
I'm not all that interested, truth be told. That's fair enough, Chris. I'm not all that interested in the safety markings. |
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Post by Stratmangler on Jan 20, 2018 14:31:49 GMT
That's fair enough, Chris. I'm not all that interested in the safety markings. You should be, with respect to your buildings and contents insurance and its validity. |
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Post by tony on Jan 20, 2018 14:39:07 GMT
I dipped my toe into the fuse world a few years ago.
Borrowed one off Loud and clear in Glasgow with no obligation to buy....bought three and have used them ever since.
Sat my son and wife down to listen to the swap-they both heard the difference/improvement.
As one of the comments says if you hear the difference and ask if its worth x amount and everyone agrees,,,,,its a no brainer when you can return them if not happy IMHO.
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Post by Stratmangler on Jan 20, 2018 14:44:58 GMT
I've just had a look at the Phonosophie fuses, and those have the appropriate CE testing markings too.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 20, 2018 14:46:32 GMT
There's multiple levels of protection in my system, and a very sensitive trip. I am not concerned at whether any of the fuses blow, they will do under the cable fault conditions they are designed to protect. They are the weakest link, by design. No insurance company is going to inspect a blown fuse.
I am more concerned at sound quality, life is too short as it is.
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Post by julesd68 on Jan 20, 2018 15:05:43 GMT
Which of your components now have upgraded fuses Martin?
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Post by sq225917 on Jan 20, 2018 17:00:28 GMT
It's quite simple. If one doubts their electrical regulation conformity one phones up trading standards and request that they ask the importer for a certificate of conformity. They have 30 days to provide it otherwise TS will force them to recall them.
I very much doubt that they have been tested to Euro regs, being a US centric product. But I'll be happy to be wrong.
Quite how a functioning fuse, that sits before a transformer, rectifiers, smoothing caps and whatever local regulation exists as well as the inherent noise rejection of the circuit could affect the sound is beyond me. Most products will be sat behind a chain that equals -100db of PSRR, to have any affect after all this I'd expect a difference in the order of at least several db to be measurable before and after the fuse. That's just basic maths.
I've replaced fuses with copper bar before, that makes no difference at all. (warning not legal or safe) So these must be full of magic..
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 20, 2018 17:17:53 GMT
Simon ( sq225917 ), could you change your signature please? We prefer people to leave their grudges and squabbles from other forums at the door when they come here. One of the reasons the person your sig refers to was banned from TAS was for persistently ignoring requests to respect that. |
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Post by MartinT on Jan 20, 2018 18:06:05 GMT
Quite how a functioning fuse, that sits before a transformer, rectifiers, smoothing caps and whatever local regulation exists as well as the inherent noise rejection of the circuit could affect the sound is beyond me. Sorry, but see my statement above about opinions based on no expeience. Don't try and fathom it, just listen to one compared with a standard fuse. Whatever you find, report it back to us. |
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