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Post by MartinT on Jul 12, 2014 13:34:02 GMT
I didn't call anyone a prick, please re-read the post. It was a generic term as to how I would react. I know. I can read. However, your intent was clear. You can make your points without being rude. |
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Post by gazjam on Jul 12, 2014 14:21:48 GMT
*sigh*
and with this...I'm out.
Sorry Martin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 14:42:44 GMT
*sigh* and with this...I'm out. Sorry Martin. You don't need to do this. I don't believe anyone should have to leave because of the behaviour of others. Martin has been showing great restraint and my opinion doing a great job of moderation and will continue to so do I'm sure. If you have to, the ignore system on this forum software is excellent and would take any irritant from view, apart from when something gets quoted of course but that seems the same everywhere. I don't believe in banning anyone, especially when they have a wealth of technical knowledge to share, so would encourage you to stay, continue to act like a normal member of a forum and just don't read any posts from someone you know has nothing to say of interest to you. |
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Post by kember on Jul 12, 2014 14:55:09 GMT
Dr Bunsen Honeydew quotation from hifi subjectivist:
"Forums I am banned from in order of ban.
Hi-Fi Wigwam - posted as me no mention of NVA got sent a £50 invoice by email, no request, no explanation, nothing just Ffing rudeness. So a email was sent back telling him where he could stick his invoice.
Pink Fish Media - initial ban because I refused to pay him £50 like Wigwam. After being allowed back and posting my views about Linn Naim, the flat earth and the industry in general then a campaign was started by the flat earthers to get me removed, every time I posted I was attacked by the same people. TonyL admitted that it was me being attacked and I wasn't initiating it, but to give himself an easy life and as he didn't want to ban the 10 or so members (trade and probably incognito trade) who were doing it so he banned me. Those people still attack me on PFM given the chance and nothing is done about it even though it is against their so called rules.
Art of Sound - you will find a lot of me in the archive at AoS, so people can go in and judge for themselves. Marco has relabeled me "he of nva" or something similar. I had two or three spells at AoS. First time booted off was because I argued with Marco that there were equally good and maybe better active ways to amplify moving coil cartridges than SUTs. I wouldn't back down and argued my case so was booted. Second stint problems were mostly caused by the same people from PFM they carried over to AoS and they got Marco to boot me again. As I say it is all in the archive there.
Zerogain - well that doesn't count anymore, as it doesn't exist, apart from as homosexual thwarted love nest."
Turkish proverb: If you have an argument with your neighbour, it might be either of your fault. If you are arguing with the whole village, look in the mirror!
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 12, 2014 15:14:28 GMT
Marxist Proverb . If you aren't annoying your audience then you are part of the hegemony and therefore part of the problem .
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Post by kember on Jul 12, 2014 15:16:23 GMT
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Post by gazjam on Jul 12, 2014 16:06:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 16:11:44 GMT
Careful Gaz
Your overheat your quad core, on a nice Saturday afternoon not worth the hassle Muppetry of the first order, take a nice cold beer from the fridge and select some tunes and let the day melt away grief free.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 12, 2014 16:25:52 GMT
Dr Bunsen Honeydew quotation from hifi subjectivist: "Forums I am banned from in order of ban. Hi-Fi Wigwam - posted as me no mention of NVA got sent a £50 invoice by email, no request, no explanation, nothing just Ffing rudeness. So a email was sent back telling him where he could stick his invoice. Pink Fish Media - initial ban because I refused to pay him £50 like Wigwam. After being allowed back and posting my views about Linn Naim, the flat earth and the industry in general then a campaign was started by the flat earthers to get me removed, every time I posted I was attacked by the same people. TonyL admitted that it was me being attacked and I wasn't initiating it, but to give himself an easy life and as he didn't want to ban the 10 or so members (trade and probably incognito trade) who were doing it so he banned me. Those people still attack me on PFM given the chance and nothing is done about it even though it is against their so called rules. Art of Sound - you will find a lot of me in the archive at AoS, so people can go in and judge for themselves. Marco has relabeled me "he of nva" or something similar. I had two or three spells at AoS. First time booted off was because I argued with Marco that there were equally good and maybe better active ways to amplify moving coil cartridges than SUTs. I wouldn't back down and argued my case so was booted. Second stint problems were mostly caused by the same people from PFM they carried over to AoS and they got Marco to boot me again. As I say it is all in the archive there. Zerogain - well that doesn't count anymore, as it doesn't exist, apart from as homosexual thwarted love nest." Turkish proverb: If you have an argument with your neighbour, it might be either of your fault. If you are arguing with the whole village, look in the mirror! Once again I am not the subject of this thread, so why are you fixated with me when all I do is respond. |
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 12, 2014 19:09:49 GMT
MODERATION: unnecessary response.
Point of clarification - I waited 8 hours for the profanity to be removed before - unnecessarily responding 
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Post by MartinT on Jul 12, 2014 21:32:16 GMT
a campaign was started by the flat earthers to get me removed, every time I posted I was attacked by the same people. I will make a public statement about this as it's worth saying: no-one will ever be successful in campaigning to have someone removed. We simply will not yield. We will moderate to our rules and our ethos and, if necessary, members will have all their posts vetted before going online.
Now I know there are some big personalities and big egos here, but they will have to learn to live with each other. We want to keep all our members as that is what makes such a great community. However, if you can't take it then we will say bye bye with some sadness but that is all we will do.
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Post by hobnob on Jul 12, 2014 21:46:39 GMT
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Post by kember on Jul 12, 2014 22:06:15 GMT
a campaign was started by the flat earthers to get me removed, every time I posted I was attacked by the same people. I will make a public statement about this as it's worth saying: no-one will ever be successful in campaigning to have someone removed. We simply will not yield. We will moderate to our rules and our ethos and, if necessary, members will have all their posts vetted before going online.
Now I know there are some big personalities and big egos here, but they will have to learn to live with each other. We want to keep all our members as that is what makes such a great community. However, if you can't take it then we will say bye bye with some sadness but that is all we will do.
Martin, For the avoidance of any doubt, I would not presume to lobby to have anyone removed. (I have no form with him, here or anywhere else, and no particular desire to engage either.) In reaction to his rather nasty tone on this thread, I was highlighting for members who might not be used to him, using his own words, the poster's sense of serial victimhood and his complete lack of understanding that his own behaviour might have contributed to the state of affairs he describes. That seems to me to be fair warning but if it isn't, I'll shut up forthwith. P |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 12, 2014 22:10:33 GMT
I was using your quote only to illustrate my point, which was not in response to you. Sorry if it seemed that way.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 12, 2014 22:22:44 GMT
I will make a public statement about this as it's worth saying: no-one will ever be successful in campaigning to have someone removed. We simply will not yield. We will moderate to our rules and our ethos and, if necessary, members will have all their posts vetted before going online.
Now I know there are some big personalities and big egos here, but they will have to learn to live with each other. We want to keep all our members as that is what makes such a great community. However, if you can't take it then we will say bye bye with some sadness but that is all we will do.
Martin, For the avoidance of any doubt, I would not presume to lobby to have anyone removed. (I have no form with him, here or anywhere else, and no particular desire to engage either.) In reaction to his rather nasty tone on this thread, I was highlighting for members who might not be used to him, using his own words, the poster's sense of serial victimhood and his complete lack of understanding that his own behaviour might have contributed to the state of affairs he describes. That seems to me to be fair warning but if it isn't, I'll shut up forthwith. P Still complete infatuation, do you fancy me or something. Sorry I am not available. I am not the subject of this thread, why do I have to keep saying it. The nasty tone was not set by me I have just responded to it with kind - the mirror. There has been talk of ad hominem, which people confuse with insult. Ad Hominem is very simple, it is addressing the poster not the point he makes, and for the last two pages this has been pure ad hominem aimed at me not my opinions. |
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 12, 2014 23:53:31 GMT
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Post by onepoint5 on Jul 13, 2014 1:52:16 GMT
As for regenerators.....noisy things, electrically, to maintain the same waveform with non linear loads (and a transformer with rectifier is definitely a non linear load), the regenerator has to be oversized by 1.6x. The distortion figures for regenrators vary from 3% (linear loads) to higher. You're in danger of over-generalising there. Different regenerators have different topologies, from the computer-based UPS types upwards. Some use switching, other linear amps.
My regenerator is oversized by a factor of over 4x when seriously giving the system welly, much more when idle. I'm happy with the power capability.
My incoming distortion as of now is 2.6% THD, output is 0.1% THD. I have no idea for which model you're quoting such poor figures.
The "poor" figures are for the AG500 UPS. This figure is not poor for a commercial UPS which typically feeds a computer SMPS, so distortion is not an issue. |
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Post by onepoint5 on Jul 13, 2014 2:26:51 GMT
My, this thread has raised some heated discussions. A lot of what has been said is correct and of great value, other information is not correct. Examples: Pinkie"My understanding, from the qualified electrician I have just consulted, is that the RCB is tripped by a differential between the live and neutral feeds on the primary circuit, and that they would not be affected by an event on the other side of the transformer. A circuit breaker (fuse) on the supply side of the transformer might be tripped by an excessive load (fault condition) on the output side of the transformer, but the reaction times are nowhere near as fast, and the sensitivity much less than with RCB's. That's why we have RCB's to protect us and don't just rely on circuit breakers (fuses)." - This information is 100% correct and this also my understanding. The secondary side of the transformer is only magnetically coupled from the primary, (apart from very low parasitic capacitance which allows RF noise to transfer across the windings). This is the whole point of the tranformer to provide isolation as well as voltage increase or decrease. Any leaks to earth on the secondary side of regulation 30mA or more, will only reflect as current draw on the primary as another load. The primary RCD will not see the differential, let alone the fuse or other breaker. I'm talking of typical domestic situations. Dr. Bunsen Honeydew"Each RCB increases the source impedance and partly defeats the benefit of the balanced mains. Each RCB in line would cause as much sonic damage as tripling the VA of the balancing transformer would remove. It is not required under the safety regs and the people saying it is necessary are repeating bullshit." - An RCB has a typical resistance of only milliohms, far less than wire that's connecting to it. What sonic damage? - See above reply on RCB for regulations. If you're worried about sonic damage from noise, a tuner typically as 100 times more crud than any RCB. "120v is only potentially lethal if you have bad heart or are standing in a metal bucket of water on a damp floor when you grab hold of it. One leg has a fuse in the plug to protect the lead, that is what it is there for. When that fuse blows the current differential between legs will trip the house RCB. I don't know who the hell this electrician of your is but he should go back to college." - The fuse is there to protect the wire and equipment not people. Differential current once again needs to be detected on the primary and on the secondary side of an isolation or a balanced transformer, where voltages at Low Voltage* are about. - 120V can kill you just as easily as a 12V car battery. I don't recall a sign or sticker on 120V outlets/receptacles showing "only to be used with people with strong hearts". Frankly this kind of information is so blatantly false, it amazes me, it is delivered with such certainty and vigor. Shrug. * Country variance applies Low voltage is assumed to be 90V or higher less than 400V - depends on the statutory definitions. |
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Post by pinkie on Jul 13, 2014 6:33:41 GMT
So. Returning to the point
120v across the heart will cause cardiac arrest.
An rcb on the supply side of an isolating transformer will not be tripped by a short on the output side
Fuse protection in a conventional plug connected to such a transformer will not adequately protect the equipment in a fault situation since the "neutral" wire is also live it will continue to carry current after the fuse on the "live" wire blows, possibly leading to fire.
If any of those statements are not correct would somebody with the appropriate expertise please provide a helpful explanation as to why. These are important safety issues. Mains electricity is not a toy.
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Post by John on Jul 13, 2014 7:35:29 GMT
With all changes to the electric supply and electrical safety TAS recommends that people consult with a qualified electrician
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