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Post by MartinT on Feb 14, 2024 18:05:03 GMT
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 14, 2024 20:02:32 GMT
I perused that forum looking for clues but found none
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Post by MartinT on Feb 16, 2024 10:01:26 GMT
The SR Orange fuse arrived and is in place in the P12's rear panel. The fuse is burning-in with the usual up/down progress, I started the system on Tara since Monday and am trying to get enough hours on it for a visit by John on Saturday. Last night it was sounding pretty good, with outstanding bass and dynamic slam. Now it just needs to develop the midrange and soundstage a little more. It'll get there but Oranges won't be rushed!
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Post by John on Feb 17, 2024 21:07:18 GMT
First a big thank you to Martin and Ruth Its been a little while since I last heard Martin's system so was not sure what to expect. I was wondering if all the madness would work or not?
First of was a PJ Harvey song and my first thoughts is that the system is capturing the recording warts and all. The openness and dynamic range has greatly improved, more open with horn like mid's, but tight and tactful bass. The sense of scale is something akin to live music and this is done with effortless ease. It is like I am listening to a different system it has opened up that much. With the speakers you can lose where they are with your eyes closed, only when you open up your eyes again can you hear where the speakers are positioned. For such big speakers to disappear I was not expecting that.
Martin continues to play track after track, most are female focused, the system excels with this, hearing deeply into the mix.
It is only in one area I detect something I do not like. I notice just a touch of harshness, that in the mix. It is slight in nature and perhaps a further burn in with the SR orange fuse to the P12 will tame that. But that was my only minor issue. It is not noticeable on most music and I think once this goes it will increase a deeper sense of flow.
Well done Martin with the upgrades, the changes they have made is not subtle. You have a great sounding system.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 17, 2024 23:10:26 GMT
Thank you, John. It was great to see you and catch up today.
I was in two minds whether to leave the still burning-in SR Orange fuse in the P12 or return to the well-used SR Red, so I had a quick listen this morning before John's arrival and decided on balance to leave the SR Orange in place. The Orange is better than the Red by this point and all I could detect was a trace remnant of glare in the midrange, which is what John heard. I am hoping that another 100 hours will calm it down.
A lot has happened since the turn of the year, with the two JS-2 power supplies providing a substantial uplift in sound quality, and the rest coming from the P12.
The system is singing really well now and I'm happy to leave it be.
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Post by John on Feb 18, 2024 6:53:49 GMT
Yes enjoy the music
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Post by MartinT on Feb 20, 2024 19:00:27 GMT
The Black Ravioli Big Pad Plus footers under the streamer and DAC/DDC are now the right way up (!) and the Orange fuse in the P12 is getting ever better. Things are sounding amazing, a big step up this year down primarily to the two JS-2 power supplies with Sapphire DC cables feeding the clocks.
Yello's album Flag is one of my all-time top 10, fantastic music finding Yello on one of their first musical peaks. It's also a difficult album to sound good. While The Race sounded great on 12" vinyl, the CD was flat as hell and the LP quite a lot better but still relatively flat. The Qobuz stream is 'only' 16/44 but it packs an almighty punch and Flag has never sounded better.
The music is complex and dense, using samples from their vast library to compose music like no other band, and unique even among their own work. The track Tied Up can sound flat and lifeless on CD, but what I'm hearing is punchy and vibrant in the extreme, with detail such that you don't quite know where to listen, bongos that pop right out of the mix and the soundstage being filled with atmosphere. It's an extraordinary work and is utterly spellbinding when it sounds as good as this. A recording that truly separates the men from the boys.
So, the system has come together really well. I can't hear any bottlenecks and, once again, the Ushers just take another step up when challenged, still showing no signs of reaching their limit. They really do scale rather well.
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Post by mattspl on Feb 20, 2024 21:12:41 GMT
I have only recently discovered Yello after discovering Boris Blank first, only to realise he wrote the Theme tune(Oh Yeah) to Ferris Bueller’s day off that I watched many years ago. Great music.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 20, 2024 21:16:47 GMT
I have only recently discovered Yello after discovering Boris Blank first, only to realise he wrote the Theme tune(Oh Yeah) to Ferris Bueller’s day off that I watched many years ago. The remixed version of Oh Yeah on Touch is the one to play. Then you can play Bostich (Reflected) as used on some TV programme. Fantastic!
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Post by MartinT on Feb 21, 2024 18:05:30 GMT
My collection of SR fuses. I never kept all the Red boxes and they're mostly gone with old kit now.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 24, 2024 17:51:52 GMT
I went to the Bristol show today and found it rather disappointing. However, I went with my son so it was great to listen together and catch up. We focussed particularly on a pair of Acoustic Energy floorstanders being demonstrated. Interestingly, his approach from a music creator standpoint and mine from a listener point of view co-incided perfectly and that was completely unprompted. We listened to a song we didn't know but I recognised the voice. A quick Shazam revealed it to be All About You by Sophie Zelmani, another female singer I like very much. We commented on how her voice sounded shut in and the treble was missing a lot of harmonics and note decay. The whole sound was not selling itself to us. I resolved to play it at home later. Well, here I am playing it again and it's like hearing a different song altogether. It is full of energy with the acoustic guitar exploding from the speakers and her presence big and right there in the room. I'm saying this not because my system slays what I heard at the show (it does) but because I'm shocked that more effort is not made to demonstrate a good sound by the vendors. We left that show trying to fathom how we could go about selecting decent components based on what we had heard. It would be no better than pot luck, we concluded. Vendors spend a lot of money running a room at a show. They really need to know how to get better sound from their gear and some of them need to bring some room treatment with them. The poor punter must be left confused and none the wiser based on the sounds created today. That track by Sophie Zelmani: open.qobuz.com/track/4554161
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Post by stellabagpuss on Feb 24, 2024 18:53:01 GMT
lnteresting...Martin, I was nearly tempted to go,but was in work.
l actually wonder if there are less enthusiasts in the Hi Fi world, and a focus on selling numbers at any cost. l can’t actually remember being in any Hi Fi shop for years and going wow.... Last time was early 90s in Tottenham Court Road, don't know the dealers, they had a top Marantz CD player as a source,it was the first time l'd heard a real soundstage and placement. After that.. every shop system was poor.
Thankfully we all moved on now, but it does go to show the importance of matching the correct components to make what your selling shine
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Post by mattspl on Feb 24, 2024 18:58:01 GMT
That sounds disappointing Martin. I think unfortunately, most are still completely unaware of the importance of reducing noise and vibrations for digital equipment. I’ve read comments recently suggesting that equipment without moving parts can’t possibly need anything to inhibit vibrations. I’ve learnt a lot here on TAS over the last few years that I’m gradually implementing.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 24, 2024 19:03:50 GMT
Indeed, there were some rooms we walked into and walked right back out again. Appalling speakers mismatched to the room and an awful lot of boomy bass. I'm not going to listen to that and wondered at those who remained.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 24, 2024 20:16:34 GMT
Most exhibitors, manufacturers, dealers, perhaps all of them are not able to join the dots
Plenty of them will deny anything out of their normal script
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Post by MartinT on Feb 24, 2024 20:34:44 GMT
Some wag on Facebook apparently told a humorless Linn demonstrator that the Sondek sounded "almost as good as streaming". I'd love to have witnessed that.
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Post by wannarock2 on Feb 24, 2024 20:47:09 GMT
Indeed, there were some rooms we walked into and walked right back out again. Yeah these guys hawking wares need to get a little more hi-tech. At least bring along some acoustic treatment for their rooms. Maybe someday
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Post by orange55 on Feb 25, 2024 8:12:59 GMT
I had a very similar experience at the High End hifi show at Ascot last summer. Ticked all the things stated above, boomy bass, no bass at all, bright and edgy sound, dealers telling me direct lies when I asked them questions about competitors equipment, that I actual own, so know it is not a generic Chinese brand rebadged.
There were only two systems there which sounded good, although one was priced at £300k and once you know that, it then it did not “sound” like value for money at all. The other was a £30k pair of Prelisten speakers paired with Primare kit. This dealer had clearly spent time setting them up and they sounded really good. Some amazing mid bass punch.
One of the best take aways I got was with Shazam, as I found some new tracks to listen to. 😀
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Post by MartinT on Feb 25, 2024 9:49:41 GMT
The Sophie Zelmani above is a stunner. I love discovering new music, even from artists I already know.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 27, 2024 18:51:57 GMT
The SR Orange fuse in the P12, and probably the P12 itself, has opened up some more after about 150 hours. Now I'm hearing not greater dimension and depth (there's already a lot), but I'm hearing it in music I had previously thought of as rather flat.
Amazed again at what regeneration brings to my system. There is so much detail being extracted, not just in the transients but in the atmospheric feel of the music. I've never been much of a Radiohead fan but I'm trying Kid A and it sounds phenomenal.
The Sophie Zelmani track mentioned earlier has the most amazing acoustic guitar dynamics I think I've ever heard. A simply gorgeous song.
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