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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 7:56:36 GMT
I wouldnt but out from giving opinions Craig. But it is intelligent and sensible to adjust our thinking when another points out a safety issue in what we are saying. I work in trades and see diy things done all the time that break sensible safe practices. these practices wre not arrived at so that some poeple have a sense of power over some other people. They are devised usually only after a death and the inquest is over. A very senior EE once said to me "Respect that safety manual, it cost a lot to develop". Oh why is that? "It cost 70 lives" (or whatever the number was.) using t and e to carry mains voltage in a situation where flex should have been used, is very common, I see it almost daily in my work in people's homes. So you Craig are in plentiful company. But that company is not not good. The wise would turn his back on the practices that ignore guidelines which were devised from human lives lost. Well, I'm being roundly castigated here - this makes two who have chipped in to explain to me that I am a bone headed dope for flouting safety rules. It is a matter of bewilderment that I have survived without electrocuting myself in the four decades from my degrees in electronics and laser physics, to develop a long list of products from biosensors, gas analyzers, large power supplies, audio products (including mains cables - the SD range for Russ Andrews) and space instrumentation, all to CE and UL approvals and ESA space standards. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 11, 2016 8:03:16 GMT
And you can survive bending or flouting the rules. What you do though is set up a situation where if something else happens you have a problem or death. I confess to running my Linn Naim setup on mains cable for a few years. I know I was naughty and I got away with it as the kit never moved and I was the only one to touch it. If the sound quality can be improved by doing that now I would pass. Wiser head maybe or more aware of my own mortality I think of this as using up luck and I want to stay lucky  |
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Post by pre65 on Apr 11, 2016 9:38:24 GMT
I wouldn't but out from giving opinions Craig. But it is intelligent and sensible to adjust our thinking when another points out a safety issue in what we are saying.
What I do in my home is 100% down to me,and some of DIY valve amps would be classed as downright dangerous. 
However, it would be foolhardy and irresponsible if I recommended the practice to others in general. If one is aware of the reasons why solid core cable is unsuitable (on safety grounds) then using it sensibly would not seem to be a great issue. This is entirely my own opinion. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 11, 2016 13:26:10 GMT
Honestly what a fucking joke. Between folk leaving the forum and deceptive adverts I cannot believe one stupid mains cable replacement has caused this.
Unbelievable.
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Post by pre65 on Apr 11, 2016 13:33:36 GMT
Honestly what a fucking joke. Between folk leaving the forum and deceptive adverts I cannot believe one stupid mains cable replacement has caused this. Unbelievable. Language Timothy.  Perhaps safety in the home means naff all to you ? Anyway, it has much more relevance to our hobby than what folks are actually eating now. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 11, 2016 14:51:48 GMT
Yip sorry about that. Just a bit exasperated that's all. Safety is important yeah but there's plenty other threads about it and for this one to descend into what it has is poor. As to the eating bit,that's more relevant to me just now as I can't indulge my other fave hobby!
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Post by Slinger on Apr 12, 2016 12:20:40 GMT
<sarcasm>Wow! That was strange! I've never seen a cable thread get out of control before.</sarcasm>
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Post by Chris on Apr 12, 2016 14:14:38 GMT
Sad isn't it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 15:28:48 GMT
If hope Craig reconsiders. It's really not worth getting upset about. At the end of the day, the only one who will get to use the cable is Chris. Unless of course he discovers another gem and I copy him again |
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Post by Chris on Apr 13, 2016 6:42:57 GMT
Dug about in the electricians scrap skip and came up with a rubberised 2.5mm mains flex. Should do fine! Might also make one out that super duper cable and a bit earth wire I recycled. And yeah,I hope Craig does come back.
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Post by nigel on Apr 13, 2016 16:25:22 GMT
Issues arise for people who tend to leave their equipment on 24/7. Myself included. An extreme example, if the house burnt down when your out due to an electrical problem. Mr Insurance Investigation-Man pops along and finds everything above board, all plugs and wires in order. All fine. On the other hand, he finds some of things we sometimes might do, in order to squeeze a little more music from our systems. Different kettle of fish for people who turn their equipment off, I guess.
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Post by Chris on Apr 13, 2016 23:19:03 GMT
Fair point but I just don't get this leave things on 24/7 and certainly don't do it. Each to their own though. And don't even start me on insurance.  |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 14, 2016 6:56:48 GMT
It looks like Craig has flounced off, which is a shame. I don't think he was being 'castigated', just being offered alternative views. You have to be a little thick skinned when on a forum and members here tend not to stick the boot in like some other places.
Craig - if you're reading this, please consider coming back.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 14, 2016 7:31:13 GMT
Dug about in the electricians scrap skip and came up with a rubberised 2.5mm mains flex. Should do fine! Might also make one out that super duper cable and a bit earth wire I recycled. And yeah,I hope Craig does come back. Top man. The best place to get kit |
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 14, 2016 7:32:35 GMT
Issues arise for people who tend to leave their equipment on 24/7. Myself included. An extreme example, if the house burnt down when your out due to an electrical problem. Mr Insurance Investigation-Man pops along and finds everything above board, all plugs and wires in order. All fine. On the other hand, he finds some of things we sometimes might do, in order to squeeze a little more music from our systems. Different kettle of fish for people who turn their equipment off, I guess. Good point *Any* reason not to pay your claim and they will have it |
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Post by Slinger on Apr 15, 2016 13:02:26 GMT
... Different kettle of fish for people who turn their equipment off, I guess. As I understand it, if it's an electric kettle you're talking about, then putting fish in it may also invalidate your house insurance. |
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Post by Stratmangler on Apr 15, 2016 13:57:39 GMT
As I understand it, if it's an electric kettle you're talking about, then putting fish in it may also invalidate your house insurance. It won't invalidate your house insurance, but it will make your tea taste a bit odd |
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Post by zippy on Apr 15, 2016 14:10:04 GMT
As I understand it, if it's an electric kettle you're talking about, then putting fish in it may also invalidate your house insurance. It won't invalidate your house insurance, but it will make your tea taste a bit odd Or a bit cod maybe ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 14:22:28 GMT
What worries me is someone like Craig who claims to be an expert is ignorant of basic domestic wiring regs. Typically these self appointed experts can't take it when they are shown to be entirely wrong and in this case giving dangerous advice on an open forum. Wish he had given a list of the products he 'designed' as I would be avoiding them. He is lucky he didn't do this elsewhere as I remember people being booted for suggesting you bypass plug fuses (probably justifiably).
MOD: it's pertinent to note that Craig was detailing what he used and not necessarily recommending that others do it. There is no evidence to doubt his qualifications and I find the castigation here a little distasteful and unnecessary.
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Post by pre65 on Apr 16, 2016 9:36:12 GMT
I think it's quite feasible for a professional to have a personal opinion on things that differs from the "official" dogma.
In this case it could well be argued that solid core cable used as suggested, and with knowledge of any potential problems, was infact quite safe.
So, the above post slating Craig's prowess would seem rather harsh, and a personal attack which surely is not allowed on here ?
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