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Post by MartinT on Jan 10, 2016 20:39:27 GMT
Ah, thanks for identifying them Chris.
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Post by accudazed on Jan 28, 2016 21:11:17 GMT
Sadly, I was unable to use the TIS. The heat shrink on the cables extends quite a long way beyond the plugs. Nothing wrong with that of course except in my case. I have 10cm between the wall and my plugs. As I made my rack myself it fits snugly with my amp and CD players. In other words, I couldn't slide the units further away from the wall on the rack; just not wide enough. I couldn't move the rack either as that would mean moving a sofa to...a position in front of the left speaker. Not good. I was not prepared to forcibly bend the interconnects so it became apparent that something more drastic was needed regarding the entire layout of my room (I live in a shoebox size house).
There were various family discussions about the options but since I would never be able to use the TIS interconnects I gave up. It makes for much better family harmony too!
The amount of space between hifi unit and wall and its implications for interconnects has never crossed my mind. With the cheap interconnects I use I've never had a problem. Perhaps NVA could consider fitting 'L' shaped plugs at the ends for those who are 'spatially challenged'? I suppose the more you pay the more substantial/less flexible these cables become. Something to bear in mind.
Although I couldn't listen to the TIS interconnects I could at least look at them! It should come as no surprise that they are beautifully made interconnects. Clearly a build quality worthy of their price - I certainly wouldn't feel short changed and I've never seen anything that is better.
Cheers
Steve
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Post by MartinT on Jan 29, 2016 20:39:46 GMT
After asking to re-borrow the TIS cables as I had been so impressed with them, I received another loan pair from NVA, this time a 1m set. These are newly made so I wasn't sure what to expect with the memory of the previous pair still pretty fresh in my mind. Once again, they are connected between preamp and power amp, replacing my trusty Yannis 222 ConnectLitz. I needn't have worried, all that I remember about them is present and correct. Playing one of my favourite evaluation discs, Christina Pluhar - All' Improvviso, I noted the sense of immediacy, fantastically vivid castanets, the delicacy of the dulcimer strikes, the powerful bass line and sense of a big space, the ebb and flow of the rhythm and the incredibly soaring dynamic swings. Depth is better than I remember, perhaps the shorter length being a benefit here? Trying another favourite, The Mountain Goats - The Life of the World to Come, the simplicity of the music belies the complexity of the acoustic. I heard a cymbal being disturbed at the beginning, what I thought of as distortion on the tape being someone shifting around, other things raised above the (quite high) noise floor. Damien Rice - O has a more tightly focussed and impactful side drum than before. So it goes, I'm enjoying my music collection very much. What the TIS does is to bring to the fore a great sense of vivid music making without ever being bright. That's a pretty good trick in my book and falls neatly between the lush presentation of copper and the detail and delicacy of silver without any harshness. So this is what a good silver alloy sounds like? I'm impressed. No mistake this time around, this set is staying here in my system.
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Post by dsjr on Feb 1, 2016 18:47:53 GMT
The cable isn't any more fragile to SSC and certainly not as fragile as SSP mk1 was, but the heat-shrink is there to help re-inforce everything and I can fully accept Steve's reluctance to bend severely a loan set. The weakest part may be where the cables enter the phono plug, so if bending is needed. I'd do it from an inch back from the plug I think.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 10, 2016 7:07:12 GMT
Final Report on TIS
The NVA TIS interconnect now has over 100 hours on it and it has steadily improved during that time. Being a preamp to power amp feed means it's getting variable volume, not full line level, implying that burn-in has taken longer. It has now pulled away significantly in SQ from the Yannis 222 ConnectLitz that it replaced.
One example I was playing last night was Lou Reed - Transformer. This album is very well recorded and offers some considerable insight (I was playing the standard CD). What took me by surprise were two things: 1) imaging depth, 2) astounding clarity and detail.
Now, my system is not strong on imaging depth. Having the speakers close to the rear wall and being in a room that is a decent size but too small for the Ushers generally conspire to make soundstaging wide but not deep. I'm used to it as one of the things I accept from my setup. So hearing amazing depth in a recording is highly unusual. The sense of space in Perfect Day was surprising, coupled with that startling clarity and very low noise floor such that I felt I could hear a pin drop in the studio at any moment. The effect of the backing vocals in Walk on the Wild Side, starting from far away and approaching to shocking closeness, then suddenly changing dramatically to reverb (or some spatial effect) was more vivid than I've ever heard before. Satellite of Love was more beautiful than ever with wonderful air and the gorgeous piano stage right.
What I also noticed throughout this and other recordings was the startling detail while remaining non-harsh, a trick that not many cables achieve. You have the clarity, edge and insight of silver with the fullness, body and non-bright nature of copper all in one.
Finally, a word about the dynamics. The Ushers are world class in this area and the TIS has made them even more so. Very often I set a volume at the start of a song and they're blowing my head off at the end. It's the sense of swell, such as when Cat Stevens lets rip half way through Where Do the Children Play? (or the immense Fruhbeck de Burgos recording of Albeniz - Suite Espanola) that takes you by surprise. There simply is no compression or headroom limiting whatsoever and the TIS has just made that even more keenly felt.
In conclusion, a highly recommended interconnect for well sorted systems, pricy but not in the silly league. If only the TIS was made in a balanced version, I could try it between my Ayre and Pass, too.
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Post by John on Feb 10, 2016 16:10:25 GMT
In a few months I will ask if I can try the speaker cables I do not want to try them yet as think they maybe a good chance I want to keep them If I used interconnects I be very tempted
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Post by dsjr on Feb 10, 2016 16:52:04 GMT
John, no worries, just give me and RD a little time (week or two when ready) for him to make them up.
Those old Cat Stevens albums do work a system hard, despite their simplicity. Many Naim amps just cannot do these recordings justice as they reach HARD clipping so quickly and when Cat sings out, you jump at the harshness. I find the Croft integrated amp does this too. Totally sublime on his diction and layered guitar harmonies, but you wince when he lets rip if the volume's not ducked a bit first. No issue with lower powered NVA as it's the bass that runs out first in the smaller amps and clipping is heard more as a 'fuffiness' rather than an edgy 'fart,' if you know what I mean.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 17:54:11 GMT
Received the TIS today. I rang the guy who sent them onto me to thank him. Nice chap First impressions of the TIS are that they are somewhat more than a subtle improvement. I'm not sure how profound the differences will become on further listening, but I wouldn't regard them as a luxury. If I could afford a pair, I'd already be sold. Tonally they are spot on and they are as clear as a bell with no hardness or glare. No thinness and no extra bloom either. I'm comparing them to NVA SSC which are so good for the money it's silly. TIS are clearer, but seem to really soar on powerful vocals and any chance to show dynamic contrasts. The lack of any sort of distortion is something that's growing on me as I listen. I'm going to take more time to listen before reporting fully, but they are clearly very very impressive.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 10, 2016 18:04:37 GMT
seem to really soar on powerful vocals and any chance to show dynamic contrasts. The lack of any sort of distortion is something that's growing on me as I listen. That's pretty much what snagged me initially, and they keep on doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 18:21:23 GMT
I'm a bit scared to remove them now I've connected the Cubettes. There's something "bottomless" about the clarity. I can afford and justify Cubettes. I just want them to keep sounding like this without the TIS. I'll be gutted if they don't but I will have to find out. That's for another day though. Right now I'm just loving the music.
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Post by John on Feb 10, 2016 18:27:19 GMT
I heard the cubettes years ago nice speakers
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Post by dsjr on Feb 10, 2016 20:57:45 GMT
Not the Cubettes you didn't, as these are new and cheaper than the Cube 3's, mainly because of the cheaper wooden box instead of Perspex. I use TIS from DAC to P20 and SSC out of the 'direct' sockets to the P50 (I have different amps and this works for me). Damn, the SSC will have to be upgraded! A TIS of 1.2m is out of the financial question right now, but an equivalent SSPmk2 would be reachable I think. Worth a thought if the TIS is missed too much
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Post by John on Feb 10, 2016 20:58:56 GMT
Ahh thanks for the info
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 7:50:01 GMT
I've been up with the larks, facing the unpleasant prospect of removing the TIS from my system. I don't like quick AB comparisons because they often give a false impression that doesn't sit well with long-term listening. Better to live with something then try living without it, I feel.
Fitting the TIS offered better clarity, stability and soaring dynamics that didn't hit the buffers. I wasn't aware other cables limited dynamics until trying TIS, but that's hifi for you: there's always another level. Except that I really wonder if there is a level above TIS. It seems to be as close to not having a cable as makes no odds.
Taking it out is a bit of a bummer. The music sounds weaker, less stable and the soaring dynamics (particularly vocals) have been lost. The latter is the hardest pill to swallow. I don't have a high end system, so I hadn't expected much of a diffence when I asked to borrow the TIS. It's still not night and day, but it's substantial enough to miss when you don't have it. The good news is that memories fade and a "cure" for the loss will come with time. I'll simply lay off listening for a week or two until I can forget sufficiently.
When I can relax in a new home with a settled location for the hifi, I will contemplate a short pair. I detest short cables, but this is good enough to make that prospect bearable.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 17, 2016 8:15:04 GMT
I feel for you, Andrew. It was the same for me when I hurriedly sent the loan TIS on to the next person. I felt its loss which is why I asked to borrow it again for another spell.
I have tentatively asked whether a balanced TIS could be made for my SACD to preamp run, which is currently a Yannis XLR set. I know that balanced connections respond less to cable differences, but even so there is scope for a further improvement for me. I have to hold off for a little while, though, as I'm not supposed to be spending money at the moment!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 18:07:41 GMT
I'm enjoyng my listening again but boy has the TIS left a hole behind. Damn fine stuff that you only appreciate fully when it's gone. It's become a case of "when and how" I get some rather than "if".
I have been asking myself what sort of difference did/does it make? The nearest I can get is that it's similar to a CD player upgrade. The best players have a believability about them that makes budget jobbies sound hopeless in comparison. They are the sort of differences that become more and more apparent over hours and days, as you find your feet with a new presentation. Less instantaneous than some changes of kit, but often more telling over time. I hope that makes some sense. I'm still trying to articulate it to myself.
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Post by alaska on Mar 4, 2016 12:57:47 GMT
It has been very frustrating being away for much of the past 10 days when I have had the NVA TIS to evaluate. I have been able to put in some good listening hours lately and have concluded that the TIS is indeed a significant step up for me and my system. I tried it in place of my existing Chord Cadenza I/Cs, in three different set-ups : between my Bryston pre/power amps, between my Chord Hugo DAC and the Bryston Pre, and between the DAC and the Power amp (using the DAC as a pre-amp.)
In all three situations, the music sounded slightly louder than before, and was more open, albeit subtly. The soundstage definitely broadened, and dynamics improved. On a track like Nick Cave's "Far From Me" I felt that there was more space between the instruments yet the whole thing hung together so well.
So, I think I need to buy at least one asap. Maybe I need two ? Thanks again to NVA for the loan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 17:17:44 GMT
Aye, 'TIS a great sounding cable (sorry). I hope to get my hands on a pair sometime this year, Nice to hear oath people barring the same worthwhile differences.
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Post by dsjr on Mar 4, 2016 17:42:19 GMT
I now have the SSPmk2 on loan - gawd... and think I can say it bridges the gap between TIS and SSC very well. There's a little more 'texture' to bass instruments without the slightly overly ripe 'organic' quality of the Klotz for example, at least when these cables are new. It's a tiny difference with all of them though, but what I thought was better, was the way tiny 'flutter echoes' on some vocals came through. These artefacts can be easy to hear on half decent headphones, but sometimes difficult on speakers. The whole cable thing with my NVA amps is that it becomes progressively even easier to delve into the heart of a mix, especially pop/rock ones.
Going back to simple SC and once you've noticed the things above, they can still be heard, but it just takes a bit more concentration effort to notice them, that's all...
Andrew, the trade-in scheme applies should you want to buy and use the SSPmk2 for a few months before jumping to the TIS. If it didn't work for you from the off, there's always the 30 day return scheme.
Sincere apologies if this is turning into a shill for the SSPmk2.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 17:49:31 GMT
Cheers, Dave. I appreciate the offer but I'm set on the TIS: Once heard never forgotten I'd not expected it to be that good, because all the previous interconnects I've owned hadn't let me hear what I was missing. I thought I had a handle on what differences an interconnect can make, but TIS has led me to re-think that one. I know it's expensive, but I will be able to clear out all other interconnects and never bother looking for another.
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