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Roon
Feb 24, 2020 19:57:23 GMT
Post by Tim on Feb 24, 2020 19:57:23 GMT
Yes, classical was consistently the worst for errors. Must be tricky though to compile a metadata database at Roon for every version of Mahler's 9th and get it 100% correct.
What frustrated me was when you found an error, how the feck do you fix it!
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bbwan
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Roon
May 9, 2020 12:43:20 GMT
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Post by bbwan on May 9, 2020 12:43:20 GMT
Interesting observations from everyone regarding ROON. Yes it is expensive, but its just so easy to use and makes the whole process of selecting music and finding out more so easy, it dramatically enhances my enjoyment so it's a price I'm more than happy to pay. I don't really care about the odd error, I find most of what I listen to to be correct, so the pros definitely outweigh the cons for me! BTW - I built a Mock on an old i3 Lenovo micro PC I had, it was simplicity itself. I was envisioning a much longer and more difficult journey to get it working. It was a bit of an "is that it" moment tbh.
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Roon
May 9, 2020 13:33:29 GMT
Post by MartinT on May 9, 2020 13:33:29 GMT
I had to look up Mock!
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Roon
May 9, 2020 13:46:43 GMT
Post by Slinger on May 9, 2020 13:46:43 GMT
I was envisioning a much longer and more difficult journey to get it working. It was a bit of an "is that it" moment tbh. That's precisely how I felt when I plugged a screen into my ATB and up popped Volumio. No problems whatsoever. I was half hoping I'd need to dive into the software after much Googling. Lockdown's a bitch.
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bbwan
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Roon
May 10, 2020 6:16:04 GMT
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Post by bbwan on May 10, 2020 6:16:04 GMT
I was a bit worried about how it would perform, but *touch wood* it's been brilliant for nearly a year now. Glad I didn't fork out for a Nucleus @ £1500. Did it for under £20 😂
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bbwan
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Roon
May 10, 2020 6:16:44 GMT
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Post by bbwan on May 10, 2020 6:16:44 GMT
I was envisioning a much longer and more difficult journey to get it working. It was a bit of an "is that it" moment tbh. That's precisely how I felt when I plugged a screen into my ATB and up popped Volumio. No problems whatsoever. I was half hoping I'd need to dive into the software after much Googling. Lockdown's a bitch. Hahaha, ain't it!
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Post by Tim on Feb 19, 2021 15:23:51 GMT
Definitely the best UI out there, especially if you miss album details about who did what, where and with whom. It's unrivalled to my knowledge.
One day I'll build a NUC Roon Rock, but my only reservation about Roon is I like to tinker with metadata and have things a certain way, as in JRiver, which I can't do with Roon. I like to scrobble my listening habits to Last.fm and Roon can cock it up regarding metadata (or at least it used to). But when I kick my OCD tendencies in wanting complete control, then I'll buy a lifetime licence. Should have got one really when it was $599. . . . doh
So I think it's really good and for what it offers good value, assuming it doesn't fold the year after you shell out $699 - that's another slight reservation, longevity.
Well I said I'd do it one day and that day is today. What tipped me over the edge is the release of Roon 1.8 which has addressed all the little (OCD) issues I had with Roon. Seems I wasn't the only one, as they have listened to the community and this update for me now ticks all those unchecked boxes. I've purchased an Intel NUC i5 which is probably overkill, as Roon recommend an i3 for small to medium libraries up to around 10K albums, a few zones and minor DSP. An i7 is recommended for 12K plus albums, multiple zones and a lot of DSP. I'm never likely to get anywhere near that, so thought an i5 was a good middle ground option and should run slightly cooler than an i7, not that my use of Roon is going to tax it that much. It was also £200 cheaper than an i7, which helped pay for the fanless case and half decent SSD/RAM to run the ROCK operating system. The case is just a big lump of aluminium much like Roons Nucleus, allowing the system to run fanless as it's just a heatsink. All you do is take the NUC board out of its case, slap some thermal paste over the CPU and screw it into the Akasa case - 4 screws for the board and 8 screws on the Turing case for the side panels. It's really easy to do. Akasa Turing - fanless NUC enclosure You can position it longways too and they provide two decorative endplates for this, but upright should be better for cooling. So the NUC is in bits at the moment and I'm about to download the Roon ROCK software. Then you need to update the NUC BIOS and install Roon, after that I should be good to go. Pretty straightforward as computer builds go. I have previously tried Roon a couple of times on a Windows 10 PC, but was never really happy running it that way and I know from previous experience of building music servers, it's never going to be the best option sound quality wise, unless you hack the bejeezus out of the O/S, which I have also done in the past, but can't be arsed with that anymore either . . . and as some will know, Microsoft and their forced updates really tick me off, as they often undo all your work! I'm not expecting the sound quality to be any better or worse than Volumio, as essentially they are both the same thing, very small Linux systems designed to exclusively play digital media and nothing else. I really like Volumio, but I want a bit more from my music playback, so I'm happy to pay Roon Labs for that privilege. I'll let you know if that doesn't happen. What did I spend? Well a lot less than an Roon Nucleus and it still leaves me change to buy a good PSU like a Teddy Pardo - a lot of change actually. NUC8i5BEH - £270 Akasa Turing Case - £100 Crucial 250GB M.2 NVMe SSD - £39 Crucial 8GB DDR4 RAM - £37 The Roon ROCK software is free, but obviously you need a Rood subscription to use it. Hats off to Roon Labs too, not only do they provide the ROCK software free, but they also have very comprehensive guides on how to build what is effectively a Nucleus clone, right down to selection of hardware and what hardware is actually supported. I know you still need a subscription, but nonetheless I still think that's pretty good customer focus. Oh and in case anyone isn't familiar with a NUC, it's a very small form factor PC, no bigger than a stack of half a dozen CD cases. You could use it 'as is' for a Roon ROCK, but it has a fan inside which from previous experience can be detrimental to playback quality and potentially noisy if you're near it. Intel NUC And finally, this is what tipped me over the edge; Enjoy the music and keep safe
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Roon
Feb 19, 2021 15:57:03 GMT
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 19, 2021 15:57:03 GMT
Oooh. Very nice use of data bases Like the reference to all the interested parties who worked on development. Interesting at the very least Spotty, Quboz and others must be working on competition for that
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Roon
Feb 19, 2021 16:05:24 GMT
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Post by John on Feb 19, 2021 16:05:24 GMT
I like the effort they are putting in for you to discover music so much easier than scrolling through magazines and then looking in those record shops where you could pick up the obscure in the hope you come across a hidden gem
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Roon
Feb 19, 2021 16:16:08 GMT
Post by Tim on Feb 19, 2021 16:16:08 GMT
It's definitely come on John, I think they've learnt and taken cues from Last.fm regarding discovery, which by the way is also now supported. But the way they interact with and listen to the Roon community is also pretty impressive, they obviously realise that feedback is a gift, even when negative. A lot of companies never seem to learn that.
It's much more like a music geek/lovers product than just a means to play your digital library and combine that with Tidal and Qobuz. That's one element I've always liked about Roon, the seamless integration of your own library with Tidal and now Qobuz.
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Roon
Feb 19, 2021 16:18:52 GMT
Post by MikeMusic on Feb 19, 2021 16:18:52 GMT
Bad feedback is good marketing - if you know what to do about it !
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Roon
Feb 19, 2021 20:55:05 GMT
Post by MartinT on Feb 19, 2021 20:55:05 GMT
Interesting build and elegant solution, Tim. Where are your files stored, in a NAS?
How much does a Room licence run to these days?
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Post by Tim on Feb 19, 2021 21:40:40 GMT
Interesting build and elegant solution, Tim. Where are your files stored, in a NAS? How much does a Room licence run to these days? Currently on a NAS, but as my 4,400 album FLAC library is only 1.35TB, I plan to put a 2TB SSD in the Turing case as there's room and fittings for one 2.5" drive above the board. I can't see my FLAC library growing that much from now with Tidal, but if it does I'll just prune out the stuff I don't play anymore and keep them on the NAS. For sure an internal SSD will be the best solution - the 250GB M.2 drive cannot be used for anything other than the O/S. Roon is $119 a year or $699 for a lifetime subscription. When I first considered Roon a lifetime subscription was $499, but at that time it was new, unproven and with no indication it would be so widely adopted or successful. I was tempted to take the plunge, but I think it was the right decision at the time - it could have flopped. I'm going to pay for a year up front (you can pay monthly but it's $12.99 a month) and then if I'm still happy in a years time I'll get a lifetime licence. I'll just have a Tidal Hi-Fi account, that will do me and I'm on a family account so it's only £9.99 a month as there's 3 of us, instead of £19.99 a month. So the same as Spotify Premium
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Roon
Feb 19, 2021 22:55:23 GMT
Post by MartinT on Feb 19, 2021 22:55:23 GMT
That looks like a good plan, Tim. Do report on how you find the system when you get it up and running.
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Roon
Feb 20, 2021 8:03:28 GMT
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Post by jandl100 on Feb 20, 2021 8:03:28 GMT
I guess as a user of classical Spotify streaming I'm not the target audience for this?
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Roon
Feb 20, 2021 9:02:45 GMT
Post by Tim on Feb 20, 2021 9:02:45 GMT
Haha, no Jerry, unfortunately nothing to see here for you. I am going to bung Volumio on it though and give Spotify a listen as well as JRiver using it as a DLNA renderer Don't have any other plans though, so this might see me out now, as long as Roon and Tidal remain a constant.
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Roon
Feb 20, 2021 14:30:25 GMT
Post by Tim on Feb 20, 2021 14:30:25 GMT
It lives! I have to say it was an absolute doddle to set-up, the Rock software installed in seconds, about 10 to 15 so it's extremely lightweight, mind you installing to an NVMe SSD is fast anyway - updating the NUC BIOS took a lot longer. Once I had Roon installed on my desktop PC, the ROCK was immediately recognised and selected as the playback device. That was it, only thing to do after that was index my FLAC library on the NAS. The case is not even warm to the touch so it's doing its job well, but running an i5 and just playing music isn't going to push it much over idle temps anyway. The LED isn't anywhere near as bright as the picture looks, that's my phone camera over exposing, it's actually a small blue dot. I have some new music on the USB drive sticking out the front, but that won't stay there to spoil the looks. I think it's a very good case, affordable, good looking, well engineered and more than capable of cooling a NUC, certainly an i5 at any rate. As for sound quality, well it is a step up from Volumio, but that was running on a netbook with all the extra gubbings that entails, screen, fan etc. It is already the best sounding music server I have built and also the easiest, much simpler to setup than Volumio and that's not exactly hard, but I'd expect it to be as it's not free! So all I need to do next is copy my music library to an internal 2TB SSD and I'm done. The power supply can wait for now. I'm really liking Roon 1.8 too - so I'm a happy chappie
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Post by MartinT on Feb 20, 2021 14:48:59 GMT
My ultraRendu can be configured as a Roon endpoint.
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Roon
Feb 20, 2021 15:02:09 GMT
Post by Tim on Feb 20, 2021 15:02:09 GMT
Indeed it can old bean - that had crossed my mind, as has an SOtM sMS 200. But for now this will do me, once I move to Suffolk and get a permanent home then I'll need an 'end game' system, which might just be speakers but we shall see. Depends how much money is left in the kitty I really fancy the Tannoy Arden (Legacy ones), but I'm not thinking about that yet, depends on the room.
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Post by Tim on Feb 21, 2021 12:50:19 GMT
I like the effort they are putting in for you to discover music so much easier than scrolling through magazines and then looking in those record shops where you could pick up the obscure in the hope you come across a hidden gem Having now clocked up 17 hours of play since building the ROCK John I can attest to how good their discovery engine is, certainly from what I've been playing it's been very good. It might be interesting to see how good it is when you go way off-piste though? So the 1.8 update isn't marketing BS, it actually does do what it says on the tin - well for me it has, YMMV. I was pleasantly surprised that I was offered another 14 day trial when I logged in using the same email and account details from before. It also had all my previous settings saved, so that was neat too. I have 13 days to decide, but it's likely I'm going to go straight to a full subscription rather than just a year. I'm that pleased with the ROCK I figure why not, you're dead a long time and that day isn't getting any farther away I think I read somewhere you called it the gold standard, I agree with that totally. It won't be for everyone or even necessary, but if you want to seamlessly combine a large personal ripped music library with a streaming service like Tidal (or Qobuz), enjoy music discovery and delving into the who/what/why's of the musicians who made that music, then it's unmatched IMO. I know you can spend time Googling and likely get the same results, but to have it all interlinked in an attractive GUI is for me a very enjoyable experience. As said before, I think it's very generous of Roon Lads to distribute the ROCK software freely and then guide you on how to build a Nucleus clone, that took time and skill. It's a clever marketing decision for sure, but they didn't have to do it, so good on em' I say. So the ROCK and Roon update 1.8 gets a big thumbs up from Timbo.
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