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Post by ChrisB on Sept 9, 2015 7:20:10 GMT
Interesting that the OP doesn't give the opportunity for saying it's a lousy album and I don't like it, just that I don't understand it! :D Best to treat the comments as a bit of fairly irrelevant embellishment and stick to the general theme of high is gooder / lower is worse. |
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 9, 2015 7:21:29 GMT
I know, and you have a lot of catching up to do!
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Post by Guest on Sept 13, 2015 14:08:57 GMT
I've read everyone's comments and I liked the breathy quality of the singer.
I wonder if any of us could sing in Dutch?!
I'm not that charmed with the guitar sound, but it's plain that the musician is very talented, especially as he also plays the violin.
How many bands have drummers who can also play all three types of saxophone?!!!
I am a little surprised that the group is not better known, there again who has heard of the excellent Everon and Galleon?
I had to give the album a good score for all these reasons.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 13, 2015 16:34:47 GMT
This is good stuff and a nice example of very listenable jazz-rock. I shall investigate more of their music but for now I'll give it a solid 4/5.
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Post by Stratmangler on Sept 13, 2015 19:08:45 GMT
I'm slightly bemused by the Jazz/Rock comments being made.
Don't get me wrong, the musicians are all highly skilled and talented, but the music does not have the harmonic sophistication and complexity or invention of Jazz, and rhythmically it's pretty much standard 4/4 stuff.
There is no Jazz element to be heard anywhere on the album, so to call it Jazz/Rock is not only incorrect, it is in violation of the trades description act.
I still enjoyed listening to this album (I'm playing it right now too), I'm just bemused as to where the Jazz bit is.
It's a good Progressive Rock album.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 13, 2015 21:06:24 GMT
To my ears it sounds slightly jazz-rock, is all I can say. I'm no musician.
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Post by Stratmangler on Sept 13, 2015 21:36:17 GMT
You listen to Steely Dan, so you know what Jazz chords and rhythms sound like. They use them a lot, most of the time in fact. Both Becker and Fagen went through college listening to the pioneering Jazz greats.
The chords the players use on this Alquin album are straight major or minor. Jazz isn't straight major or minor.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 13, 2015 21:46:23 GMT
Ok, thanks, I shall listen more closely and learn the difference.
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 13, 2015 22:26:06 GMT
Yes, I was a bit surprised at the jazz rock label. But then I try to avoid using sub-genres. Genres are bad enough!
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Post by MartinT on Sept 15, 2015 14:50:59 GMT
I guess I heard some Jean-Luc Ponty in there, and he is usually branded as jazz-rock.
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Post by Stratmangler on Sept 15, 2015 17:02:05 GMT
Jean-Luc Ponty generally does play more at the jazz end of the spectrum. Even if he played on this Alquin album it still has no jazz element  |
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Post by MikeMusic on Sept 16, 2015 14:14:00 GMT
5/10 for me
Probably would have bought it when it came out had I known about it then
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Post by Guest on Sept 16, 2015 17:30:25 GMT
I'm slightly bemused by the Jazz/Rock comments being made. Don't get me wrong, the musicians are all highly skilled and talented, but the music does not have the harmonic sophistication and complexity or invention of Jazz, and rhythmically it's pretty much standard 4/4 stuff. There is no Jazz element to be heard anywhere on the album, so to call it Jazz/Rock is not only incorrect, it is in violation of the trades description act. I still enjoyed listening to this album (I'm playing it right now too), I'm just bemused as to where the Jazz bit is. It's a good Progressive Rock album. I think it is Jazz-Rock because of the Saxophone spiralling, if you can list some rock record that contain saxophone spiralling then I'll give you it. The guitar style sounds as much Jazz as rock to me as well. Now I know Jazz is not supposed to have a tune, but Jazz-Rock can and does. Alquin are definitely a Jazz-Rock band, maybe not as extreme as Return to Forever, but definitely Jazz-Rock in style. The thing about Jazz-Rock is that it is not related to Jazz at all! For example listen to 'Queen - Jazz'! See what I mean?!!! |
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 16, 2015 17:39:27 GMT
Now that's an interesting set of statements!
Especially this one....
How much jazz have you heard?
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Post by John on Sept 16, 2015 18:10:43 GMT
One of the big influences in Jazz rock is the use of more extended chords. Solos can also often be mode based depending on the approach being taken too.
Probably best if I not comment on the rest
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 19:04:33 GMT
Probably one of my fav Dutch prog LP's was the first album from the band Solution..
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Post by Stratmangler on Sept 17, 2015 7:25:45 GMT
The thing about Jazz-Rock is that it is not related to Jazz at all! Really? If it has no relationship to Jazz then why bother calling it Jazz-Rock at all? Why don't we do something radical and just call it Rock music?  |
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Post by John on Sept 17, 2015 12:52:08 GMT
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Post by Guest on Sept 17, 2015 13:25:24 GMT
Now that's an interesting set of statements! Especially this one.... How much jazz have you heard? I hate Jazz, give me a tune every time. |
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Post by Guest on Sept 17, 2015 13:28:25 GMT
The thing about Jazz-Rock is that it is not related to Jazz at all! Really? If it has no relationship to Jazz then why bother calling it Jazz-Rock at all? Why don't we do something radical and just call it Rock music? Probably a misnomer like when people talk about 'blind-dogs'. Another good one is 'disabled parking'. Jazz-Rock is fundamentally different from Jazz in that it has a tune. Listen to 'Queen - Jazz'. In which the band explode the myth that the two are in some tenuous way related. |
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