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Jun 29, 2014 22:17:27 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Jun 29, 2014 22:17:27 GMT
I find most modern composers unmusical and distasteful but that maybe my ignorance. Have you tried Shostakovich 2nd or any Philip Glass?
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Jun 29, 2014 22:22:51 GMT
Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jun 29, 2014 22:22:51 GMT
Nope too modern. I just find it grates. I especially hate Shostakovich.
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Jun 30, 2014 0:26:45 GMT
Post by gazjam on Jun 30, 2014 0:26:45 GMT
Michael Nyman is worth checking out? A guy called Max Richter too.
One of Max's...
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Jun 30, 2014 5:26:44 GMT
Post by MartinT on Jun 30, 2014 5:26:44 GMT
I especially hate Shostakovich. I suggested the 2nd Piano Concerto as it's written in the romantic style. The 2nd movement is especially beautiful, quite reminiscent of the Grieg.
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Jun 30, 2014 5:52:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 5:52:43 GMT
I er.....second that!!
Get the Leonard Bernstein version with the New York Phil. Absolutely manic jazz playing in the outer movements with the most wonderfully serene second movement. It comes paired with the Ravel piano Concerto in G major. Two major jazz influenced pieces of 'classical' music. The Ravel is on YouTube in a live performance I think.
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Jun 30, 2014 10:03:50 GMT
Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jun 30, 2014 10:03:50 GMT
I especially hate Shostakovich. I suggested the 2nd Piano Concerto as it's written in the romantic style. The 2nd movement is especially beautiful, quite reminiscent of the Grieg. It strikes me as a caricature, like a "look I can do this as well" but he cannot get rid of his desire to play around with natural tonality and basically mess up the tune. I have a basic dislike of this man and if you met us and talked to Nadia she would tell you a few things about him from a Russian point of view. He was a little talent Communist Party arse licker. He was basically the first modern political composer who did what he was told.
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Jun 30, 2014 10:28:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 10:28:31 GMT
I suggested the 2nd Piano Concerto as it's written in the romantic style. The 2nd movement is especially beautiful, quite reminiscent of the Grieg. It strikes me as a caricature, like a "look I can do this as well" but he cannot get rid of his desire to play around with natural tonality and basically mess up the tune. I have a basic dislike of this man and if you met us and talked to Nadia she would tell you a few things about him from a Russian point of view. He was a little talent Communist Party arse licker. He was basically the first modern political composer who did what he was told. I actually don't give a toss about his personality, his politics or anything else about him. How does any of that affect the way he makes music. That is after all, what this discussion should be about. You either like the way he plays or you don't. I certainly dislike his own music. Personally, I find him quite life affirming as he finds the music within the notes. I have for instance, about ten versions of Vivaldi's old pot boiler but only one I would describe as musical, the same the Rodrigo's Aranquez. Just playing the notes as written down ends up with people like John Williams and Narcisso Yepes. Basically, how to find all the boring bits.
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Jun 30, 2014 10:35:06 GMT
Post by MartinT on Jun 30, 2014 10:35:06 GMT
Well indeed. Listen to, say, Radu Lupu playing the Grieg and you hear greatness and much more than just the notes.
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Jun 30, 2014 10:39:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 10:39:39 GMT
+1 for Max Richter
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Jun 30, 2014 10:48:08 GMT
Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jun 30, 2014 10:48:08 GMT
I am not going to argue with you but you are being naive, everything cultural was controlled by the party and if you didn't toe the line you ended up in Siberia or dead. For the Soviet Union music was political. Nadia (my wife) was born and brought up in Moscow in the Soviet era and came to the UK after university so she knows about it. Her interest in Russian composers ends in Tchaikovsky and everything after that is stained with party control and influence according to her. Great talents were suppressed if they didn't fit (and you will never have heard of them) and nondescript arse lickers were promoted.
Leave it simply as I don't like him and you do.
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Jun 30, 2014 10:53:02 GMT
Post by danielquinn on Jun 30, 2014 10:53:02 GMT
On a point of fact - a] who you are - politics , beliefs etc - will be inextricably linked to the music you make , even if it is not proper music as it as no lyrics . Music of course being an emotive expressive art form . b} Whether you choose to pay attention to the individual who made the art is a personal choice , but given A , it is possible to dislike the music because it reflects the person who made it . As phil collins is a knob head but drums for the finest rock group ever , i rely on neitzche's dictum . Artists are the manure from which thier art grows .
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Jun 30, 2014 11:32:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 11:32:36 GMT
On a point of fact - a] who you are - politics , beliefs etc - will be inextricably linked to the music you make , even if it is not proper music as it as no lyrics . Music of course being an emotive expressive art form . b} Whether you choose to pay attention to the individual who made the art is a personal choice , but given A , it is possible to dislike the music because it reflects the person who made it . As phil collins is a knob head but drums for the finest rock group ever , i rely on neitzche's dictum . Artists are the manure from which thier art grows . On a pointy of opinion: Disagreeing of course, is all a normal part of discussion. As I disagree with point a) (apart from the last bit) I will ignore point b) I almost agree that Genesis were one of the finest rock bands. Sadly, I find them mostly boring and lacking true musical depth these days
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Jun 30, 2014 11:35:47 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 11:35:47 GMT
Leave it simply as I don't like him and you do. That seems entirely sensible and perhaps where we should have started.
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