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Post by daytona600 on Apr 29, 2015 22:13:36 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Apr 30, 2015 5:59:06 GMT
Interesting article, Scott. I like the section "is it the machine or the fluid"? I would say it's primarily the fluid and the method rather than the machine. I have a nice Clearaudio Smart Matrix RCM but I dare say I could get similar results using other machines. For me, though, the fluid choice is fairly critical; after trying many different ones out, I have come full circle back to Clearaudio's own Pure Groove fluid as the best cleaner with excellent drying properties and leaving a shiny surface.
Method is even more important and I agree with the author that a good soaking in several complete revolutions is best. However, it can lead to problems with fluid getting onto the label or dripping over the edge onto the lead-in grooves on the other side, which is a pain if you've already done that side. So care is required with guiding the fluid using the wide brush.
I don't go too mad in the vacuuming phase, getting it visibly dry but not continuing on afterwards. Leaving it out in the air for a few minutes gets it perfect and ready for a nice new Nagaoka inner sleeve.
I tend to do small batches as it gets boring unless you're listening to something else in the meantime. Therapeutic? Perhaps not!
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 30, 2015 6:14:59 GMT
The final link that Scott provided has a further link to an interview with the person in charge of record care at the US Library of Congress who contends that the type of fluid is far less important than the method and that the main purpose of the fluid is to put detritus into suspension rather that to dissolve it.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 30, 2015 7:28:14 GMT
I've found that some fluids I've tried leave a matt finish to the records and they don't sound as good as using, for instance, Pure Groove. It's probably a lack of wetting agent. I do agree that getting the detritus into suspension and then sucking it off the surface is the main purpose.
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Post by gazjam on May 1, 2015 10:54:55 GMT
I've tried a few and found Paul Stewart's (Rebirth of Cool) "The Right One" fluid to be the best.
Black mirror finish and background noise significantly reduced, even on charity shop specials.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 1, 2015 14:56:25 GMT
Good one Gaz
Always good to go to one of our own.
Work ok with machines like Smart Matrix ?
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Post by gazjam on May 1, 2015 16:21:34 GMT
Don't know that machine Chris, if it's a standard vacuum pump type deal then don't see why not?
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Post by MikeMusic on May 2, 2015 9:37:29 GMT
(looks at name badge) Me Mike  Great. Can always ask Paul |
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Post by MartinT on May 2, 2015 9:40:57 GMT
Pretty much all fluids will work with the Smart Matrix, Mike.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 9:55:38 GMT
The cheap spray and a clean cloth work superbly and don't break the bank.
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Post by gazjam on May 2, 2015 11:44:47 GMT
(looks at name badge) Me Mike Great. Can always ask Paul (Puts Trigger voice on...)heh, sorry Dave. |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 2, 2015 12:41:46 GMT
Half past two |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 10:17:32 GMT
Hi All,
I did not want to be accused of being a "shill" so I did not coment on this thread. Gary thanks for the thumbs up on "The Right One" just to confirm it works well with all vacuum RCMs. It is also sold in some collectors shops, like Reckless Records who we supply a spray and wipe kit with fluid, and microfibre cloths. However, the temorsry hitch is that I'm having a ten week course of retinal laser surgery and I'm banned from lifting anything heavy, (and those 25 litre drums it's mixed in weigh a lot. I'm arranging for the laboratory supply company I get it from to mix it, then I just need to kid a workman in to bottle and despatch, it will be about another six week and it will be back on stream.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 3, 2015 10:32:47 GMT
All the best with the surgery Paul
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Post by MartinT on May 3, 2015 10:51:36 GMT
Happy to try the fluid out, Paul. How do we buy it?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 11:02:21 GMT
Happy to try the fluid out, Paul. How do we buy it? Hi Martin, As soon as I get supplies running, I'm the Ebay shop will be there again and our own online shop should be up too. Also, MCRU and Analogue Seduction stock it, but they may be out of stock at the moment, 'cos of my problems. The most I can lift at the moment is a record cleaning brush or a catridge mounting kit |
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Post by MartinT on May 3, 2015 11:49:17 GMT
Sorry to hear that, Paul. Get better first!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 13:09:56 GMT
With respect a few points, that bottle is about 100ml or less, we sell 500ml for 14.99 or £15.99 in the spray and wipe kit, do the maths The cloth they give with it is a Calotherm, which leaves a layer of silicone on the record, hell every audiophile I know stopped using those in the 60s and started using Disc Preeners etc. 'cos those cloths were record destroyers. Finally if you read the blurb, they say the record should be played immediately so the dirt will be pulled up BY THE STYLUS. Perhaps they sell a stylus cleaner too Sorry but I don't think anyone who knows anything about vinyl care will touch this with a barge pole. The most cost effective way to clean your records is a good vacuum RCM with a good fluid, they don't damage your records and they do get them clean. For the record (pardon the pun) our micro fibre cloth kits do not put anything onto the disc and remove the dirt by capillary action, not by using your stylus as a plough. Just think of the aggro cleaning the stylus and the damage that could be done, if the groove gunge sets on the stylus :shudder: |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 16:35:33 GMT
With respect a few points, that bottle is about 100ml or less, we sell 500ml for 14.99 or £15.99 in the spray and wipe kit, do the maths The cloth they give with it is a Calotherm, which leaves a layer of silicone on the record, hell every audiophile I know stopped using those in the 60s and started using Disc Preeners etc. 'cos those cloths were record destroyers. Finally if you read the blurb, they say the record should be played immediately so the dirt will be pulled up BY THE STYLUS. Perhaps they sell a stylus cleaner too Sorry but I don't think anyone who knows anything about vinyl care will touch this with a barge pole. The most cost effective way to clean your records is a good vacuum RCM with a good fluid, they don't damage your records and they do get them clean. For the record (pardon the pun) our micro fibre cloth kits do not put anything onto the disc and remove the dirt by capillary action, not by using your stylus as a plough. Just think of the aggro cleaning the stylus and the damage that could be done, if the groove gunge sets on the stylus :shudder:
I don't always have £15 to hand though and anything bought in bulk is cheaper.
Quantity does not always equal quality.
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