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Post by yomanze on Mar 19, 2015 20:47:26 GMT
Another myth: delta/sigma DACs have everything 'well sorted' on-chip.
How can you possibly separate and optimise the power supplies if loads of it is already joined up at a +5v pin?
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Post by Greg on Mar 19, 2015 21:12:56 GMT
Here's another Myth Yamaha NS1000 are transparent  That is a serious thread drift. Maybe post it elsewhere? |
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Post by chukka on Mar 19, 2015 22:30:03 GMT
I have a £35 USB DAC and a £2k+ example. They are different, especially when seeking to identify/notice a difference but once one gets into the music there really isn't much to be fussed about (unless you are selling/promoting DACs). My experience too. There is nothing special about a DAC. There is a lot of talk about the SQ and this and that. I have two Sabre DAC's side by side. One costing in excess of 1k $ and another no more than 100$. Honestly, the difference between the two is marginal and not at all proportional to the difference in cost. Disclaimer: I am not deaf, my stereo is resolving enough to hear an eventual difference. PS an annoying thing about the DAC debate is that some people vehemently try to debunk them as shiiit, etc. Mostly people who are illiterate in anything digital. You know. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 22:34:11 GMT
I have a £35 USB DAC and a £2k+ example. They are different, especially when seeking to identify/notice a difference but once one gets into the music there really isn't much to be fussed about (unless you are selling/promoting DACs). My experience too. There is nothing special about a DAC. There is a lot of talk about the SQ and this and that. I have two Sabre DAC's side by side. One costing in excess of 1k $ and another no more than 100$. Honestly, the difference between the two is marginal and not at all proportional to the difference in cost. Disclaimer: I am not deaf, my stereo is resolving enough to hear an eventual difference. Isn't it annoying Chukka, when you have to defend your opinions against people who automatically assume you are either hearing impaired or have a crap system, just because your findings differ from theirs. You won't find much of that here thank God. |
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Post by tony on Mar 20, 2015 1:57:59 GMT
I've been to a few get togethers were dacs have been swapped/power supplies changed/digital connections tried...always heard noticeable differences.I have half a dozen dacs they all vary in sonics.
Some folk swear cables dont make a difference again my experience says that aint so.
Where possible I listen on cans to access components in an attempt to minimise variables.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 20, 2015 9:28:58 GMT
Listening is the only way to tell the difference
Sometimes the set up may not be optimal for the kit being tested, but I think, in the main good sounds good, bad sounds bad
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Post by danielquinn on Mar 20, 2015 9:42:40 GMT
Chukka , the point out about a myth is surely that it is a generalization with dubious purchase upon actual reality .
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Post by yomanze on Mar 20, 2015 10:57:34 GMT
I have a £35 USB DAC and a £2k+ example. They are different, especially when seeking to identify/notice a difference but once one gets into the music there really isn't much to be fussed about (unless you are selling/promoting DACs). My experience too. There is nothing special about a DAC. There is a lot of talk about the SQ and this and that. I have two Sabre DAC's side by side. One costing in excess of 1k $ and another no more than 100$. Honestly, the difference between the two is marginal and not at all proportional to the difference in cost. Disclaimer: I am not deaf, my stereo is resolving enough to hear an eventual difference. PS an annoying thing about the DAC debate is that some people vehemently try to debunk them as shiiit, etc. Mostly people who are illiterate in anything digital. You know. Doesn't surprise me that the Sabre DACs sound pretty much the same. Most DACs do... not all though, you've not heard one that's significantly better, that's cool, but it doesn't mean they're not out there. |
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Post by chukka on Mar 20, 2015 20:49:34 GMT
Chukka , the point out about a myth is surely that it is a generalization with dubious purchase upon actual reality . What does that even mean ? |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 20, 2015 21:04:56 GMT
We have a secret Turing machine for decoding DQ's pronouncements. Sometimes it takes months |
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Post by ChrisB on Mar 20, 2015 21:09:40 GMT
.....secret Turing machine for decoding.... And it's all valve!  |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 20, 2015 21:11:01 GMT
Hah!
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Post by canetoad on Mar 20, 2015 23:04:05 GMT
Using a fractal encryption algorithm incorporating the famous Mandelbrot fractal to convert the encryption key to a longer key that is subsequently XORed with the text I got the following result...
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Maybe I did something wrong.   |
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Post by ChrisB on Mar 20, 2015 23:07:27 GMT
When decoded, the punctuation and spelling of that message are exemplary, but both the subject matter and context are right out of whack!
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Post by canetoad on Mar 21, 2015 0:27:22 GMT
Yes, that's the reason I think I got it wrong...  |
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Post by danielquinn on Mar 21, 2015 6:35:22 GMT
Chukka , the point out about a myth is surely that it is a generalization with dubious purchase upon actual reality . What does that even mean ? If you do not understand English there is little I can do on a forum. Evening classes are available nationwide. |
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Post by jammy on Mar 21, 2015 6:38:57 GMT
Chukka , the point out about a myth is surely that it is a generalization with dubious purchase upon actual reality . What does that even mean ? Cmon Chuck, its quite simple really. Dan is basically saying myth aint fact..!! You may want to consider IQ more than DQ.  |
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Post by gazjam on Mar 21, 2015 7:11:56 GMT
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Post by dvh on Mar 21, 2015 8:27:16 GMT
The main myth about DACs, and any other piece of audio equipment for that matter, is that any one person's view can provide a definitive answer about whether the equipment in question is better/worse or different to any other equivalent piece of equipment.
Of course, that person's view might have more validity if they've heard lots of DACs vs lots of standalone CDPs.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 21, 2015 10:45:07 GMT
Of course, that person's view might have more validity if they've heard lots of DACs vs lots of standalone CDPs. Quite right. Everyone has a viewpoint depending on how many different components they have listened to. The trick is to either find someone whose musical and listening tastes are similar to yours or weigh the balance of probabilities. |
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