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Post by danielquinn on Feb 16, 2015 12:10:39 GMT
As i said , I approach this from the perspective of a father of 4 and being a marxist. I am fed up of living in a world in which individuals do what the fuck they want without any consideration of others . DIY LDR pre amps are the hifi personification of thatcherism . They are not as bad a tax dodgers though
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Post by Sovereign on Feb 16, 2015 12:33:11 GMT
DQ you are running around in circles, chasing your own tail. You told Martin "What relvancy or point do a] Historic products have ? b] the somewhat semantic facts chris highlighted ? "
If you can't consider current and or historic products such as batteries, then you certainly cant repeatedly predict that I plan to sell my LDR pre amp. You are misleading yourself, which astonishes me that a professional in the legal field could do this, I AM NOT SELLING THE LDR, ther is no evidence that I have even considered it. So as others have said lets keep to the facts and not your misled assumptions.
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Post by danielquinn on Feb 16, 2015 12:49:17 GMT
DQ you are running around in circles, chasing your own tail. You told Martin "What relvancy or point do a] Historic products have ? b] the somewhat semantic facts chris highlighted ? " If you can't consider current and or historic products such as batteries, then you certainly cant repeatedly predict that I plan to sell my LDR pre amp. You are misleading yourself, which astonishes me that a professional in the legal field could do this, I AM NOT SELLING THE LDR, ther is no evidence that I have even considered it. So as others have said lets keep to the facts and not your misled assumptions. This is meaningless . You appear to have put a lot of words together and hope they make sense . What point are you trying to make . I never said you would sell it , i was pointing out the facts . I further note you are silent upon the importation issue . However it is surely a somewhat precarious situation to rely upon the word of a person not to sell at any time in the future when the making of a LDR pre amp is in itself a morally questionable act . the point is that we should not be encouraging the use of such equipment for what is [hoepfully] a small increment in perceived sound quality . It is the act of a selfish person . there is a simple question that encapsulates the issue . Is it okay for a person to make a diy version of something a company cannot legally sell in the uk. My answer is NO . Pre amp, gun , bomb . Were do you stop?
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Post by Sovereign on Feb 16, 2015 16:22:54 GMT
Lets keep it not personal attack or defend the idea
Out of the eight or so posts you have made on this thread, there is a similar number of times you are inferring that I may sell the amp. I have summarised them below for convenience
If sovereign tried to sell his pre amp it would be ilegal by virtue of the rhos regulations. There is a clear ban on the use of cadmium in consumer products. Flouting this ban by importation of parts is irrelevant imo Selling the pre amp in the future would be illegal Fact. ROHS outlaws the commercial selling of LDR pre amps Once you put it into an amp it would be illegal to sell Ldr pre amps are illegal to sell in th uk. The legal to possess is a red hearing. If you can't sell it how can anyone possess it. Selling the pre amp in the future would be illegal. However it is surely a somewhat precarious situation to rely upon the word of a person not to sell at any time in the future when the making of a LDR pre amp is in itself a morally questionable act .
Well done for being so persistent, but then that is what you are trained to do.
The nail in your own coffin is the line "pre amp, gun, bomb , where do you stop?" To put my DIY pre amp in the same train of thought as a bomb is lunacy, it wouldn't surprise me if your next post you ad terrorism to that list. I have little patience left to entertain such lunacy and distraction from the truth. But I may make a few more comments, it depends how much more funny your posts become.
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Post by danielquinn on Feb 16, 2015 16:43:37 GMT
Edit personal attack
you are fixated upon the issue of resale . once again you ignore the import issue and the fact you have chosen to make it .
i repeat - there is a simple question that encapsulates the issue . Is it okay for a person to make a diy version of something a company cannot legally sell in the uk. My answer is NO .
Your is yes .
people can make up their own mind .
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Post by John on Feb 16, 2015 16:55:35 GMT
This is getting personal keep to the facts and I shall edit
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Post by jammy on Feb 16, 2015 17:38:14 GMT
Well people will indeed make up their own mind on the issue Dan.
So...Dont say Jammy never warned ya.
I think the whole fukin issue stink's. It aint big and it aint clever. I cant help thinking Sov is going to get his fingers burned soon. I also dont think its a suitable topic for a forum to host.
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Post by chukka on Feb 16, 2015 17:43:06 GMT
I couldn't resist reading this thread. Unfortunately, I have to note that even when given a thread, some people manage to drag it into a nonsensical circular spiral. What a shame.
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Post by jammy on Feb 16, 2015 17:47:34 GMT
I couldn't resist reading this thread. Unfortunately, I have to note that even when given a thread, some people manage to drag it into a nonsensical circular spiral. What a shame. Edit personal attack
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Post by chukka on Feb 16, 2015 17:57:19 GMT
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Post by John on Feb 16, 2015 18:02:17 GMT
I am temporary locking this thread
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Post by John on Feb 16, 2015 20:09:21 GMT
Ok Thread back Open but lets keep it civil
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 16, 2015 21:01:41 GMT
Hopefully, tempers will have calmed and this can be continued without the hurling of insults in either direction. John edited 4 comments - 2 from each point of view, so you're quits. Let's start again with a bit more respect for each other, eh? I have to comment on this.... I also dont think its a suitable topic for a forum to host. I disagree. I think it's an ideal place to discuss such a topic and if you truly think that you need to save people from themselves, then I suggest you set out the facts calmly and without the use of the Dictionary of Emotive Language. They might listen to what you have to say rather than try to ignore or discredit your point of view. The same goes for those with the other standpoint. As I said earlier, I don't have any axe to grind for or against any position here, but here's a thought Should I wish to, I can walk into several reputable electronics suppliers or order online and legally buy LDRs as components in the UK. Here are a few examples from Maplin & RS and even AmazonI can use them to build all sorts of circuits for many applications and diagrams are freely available to assist me to do it. I could even, should I so choose, build a hifi pre-amplifier!! In my understanding I would not break any laws by doing so. Now I don't intend to to that but there may be others who decide it's a good idea. They might even think it's a new idea all of their very own. If it's not discussed on a forum as you suggest, but rather swept under the carpet and forgotten, then how are they going to be made aware of the pros and cons?
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Post by Sovereign on Feb 16, 2015 21:02:43 GMT
MODERATION: Comments removed - let's stick to the subject and keep from commenting on personal matters.
My LDR amp is as safe as I need it to be, I do not plan to sell it on, but never say never. I do not plan to take orders for LDR pre amps. The amp is for my personal use. I do not see myself as an importer. We are treating Cadmium as its bloody nuclear, and to put it in the same sentence as bombs is laughable and totally OTT!!!
To put i into a bit of perspective as Martin has tried to do with the good example of batteries. In the construction industry we come accross asbestos regularly. We are currently working on the refurbishment of a large commercial unit in Maidstone. There is a large amount of extremely harmful asbestos weaved into the structure of the property. The effects of Asbestos is one of the bigest killers of men to date. All of the adbestos is notifiable with the Health and Safety Executive and all they plan to do is capsulate it and leave it in situ !!!! There are no picketers outside the site, instead the asbestos is safely encapsulated and managed. I am aware that the material is different to Cadmium, but asbestos kills far more people than cadmium ever will. As the MINUSCULE amount of Cadmium in my home is well managed, I am more than happy with it.
DQ on another note if you are strugling to find a builder who is able to quote with acuracy I would point you towards building firms with ISO, HAS, Constructionline, CHAS accreditation etc. You may want to also look into JCT contracts. PM me if you still need guidance .
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Post by Greg on Feb 16, 2015 21:30:49 GMT
Well, certainly Sov will not get his fingers burnt because he is completely within the law and even if he chose to sell on, he would remain within the law. The law relates to commercial sales of a product containing cadmium and not to private sales.
We need to get this all into perspective. Example being Snus which is a Scandinavian pasteurised tobacco product. Banned for sale in the UK, but no ban on importation. Therefore the individual user can buy from abroad and use. A commercial enterprise would not be interested because by law they cannot sell on after importation.
The Stereo Coffee modules also fits into this category. They are simply supplied incorporated into a circuit board consisting of the board, the LDR's and a few termination blocks. In no way can this item be described as a pre-amp. It lacks a power supply, wiring and sometimes, signal connectors. On it's own, it is simply a piece of circuit board with a few LDR components attached. In reality, that is little different from purchasing individual LDR's legitimately from RS or Farnell, both being the major law abiding suppliers of electrical components in the UK.
MODERATION: Personal comments removed
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Post by canetoad on Feb 16, 2015 21:32:55 GMT
Well people will indeed make up their own mind on the issue Dan. So...Dont say Jammy never warned ya. I think the whole fukin issue stink's. It aint big and it aint clever. I cant help thinking Sov is going to get his fingers burned soon. I also dont think its a suitable topic for a forum to host.So why did you start it?
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Post by jammy on Feb 16, 2015 21:44:35 GMT
I did'nt - Sov started it...... I only asked a simple question.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 16, 2015 22:45:36 GMT
It looks like my earlier request has been ignored as I have had to edit more posts. PLEASE TAKE NOTE:Hopefully, tempers will have calmed and this can be continued without the hurling of insults in either direction. John edited 4 comments - 2 from each point of view, so you're quits. Let's start again with a bit more respect for each other, eh?Read more: theaudiostandard.net/thread/1130/cadmium?page=2#ixzz3Rx0Tho2FLook up there, that was before I had to edit the last two.
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Post by Greg on Feb 16, 2015 23:15:17 GMT
Well, certainly Sov will not get his fingers burnt because he is completely within the law and even if he chose to sell on, he would remain within the law. The law relates to commercial sales of a product containing cadmium and not to private sales. We need to get this all into perspective. Example being Snus which is a Scandinavian pasteurised tobacco product. Banned for sale in the UK, but no ban on importation. Therefore the individual user can buy from abroad and use. A commercial enterprise would not be interested because by law they cannot sell on after importation. The Stereo Coffee modules also fits into this category. They are simply supplied incorporated into a circuit board consisting of the board, the LDR's and a few termination blocks. In no way can this item be described as a pre-amp. It lacks a power supply, wiring and sometimes, signal connectors. On it's own, it is simply a piece of circuit board with a few LDR components attached. In reality, that is little different from purchasing individual LDR's legitimately from RS or Farnell, both being the major law abiding suppliers of electrical components in the UK. MODERATION: Personal comments removed
Oh, for goodness sake, stop being so pedantic and take note of what was written. I made no personal comment. I referred to no one in particular. I commented on solicitors clerks and shepherds. Surely it is fair to allow the reader to conclude for themselves about what I wrote. You really are taking moderation to an extreme, not far short of what happens on AOS, albeit without the bias. Very disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 23:15:51 GMT
I'm not sure what the motivation is for building an LDR pre considering you cannot sell it on and will have to undertake specialist disposal. It appears since people were informed of the illegality there is a bloody minded attempt to go ahead anyway. If this is just to get at Richard Dunn for pointing out the facts and being right I am quite perplexed as to why anyone would be stupid enough to waste their time and money. [MODERATION] unnecessary insult to the general membership.
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