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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 14, 2014 10:48:23 GMT
Well I suppose this has to happen occasionally and I think we all have to accept it. But what would your reaction be to a public forum banning any mention of a product or company, do any of you think that is acceptable.
This has just happened to me as the owner of PFM has announced that any mention of NVA will be removed from the forum, and is banned apart from in a classified thread.
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Post by julesd68 on Jul 14, 2014 10:53:00 GMT
Could you please provide a link Richard - I can't see this announcement anywhere ...
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Post by AlanS on Jul 14, 2014 10:56:09 GMT
This is the tread that RD mentions www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=159202and the specific statement <moderating> Nene Valley Audio's proprietor, Richard Dunn, has been banned from this site for several years and his increasingly bizarre behaviour elsewhere makes any discussion here all but impossible. As NVA is a one-man operation it is not possible to separate brand from the proprietor's views. As such pfm declines to publish any NVA-related content beyond the confines of the member classified area.
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Post by julesd68 on Jul 14, 2014 10:58:20 GMT
Thanks Alan ...
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Post by hobnob on Jul 14, 2014 10:58:20 GMT
I feel it's the wrong approach. I've always believed in listening to the argument rather than focusing on the source. Good ideas and valuable contributions can come from sources you would otherwise deprive yourself and others from hearing.
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Post by Dave on Jul 14, 2014 11:14:30 GMT
I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner. If you continually aggravate a swarm of Bees eventually you are going to get stung.
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 14, 2014 11:20:28 GMT
Dave , your stance lacks nuance . You need to differentiate between
Dr Bunsen - not everyone's cup of tea May or may not have been fairly banned in the past depending on perspective .
NVA - British made amplifiers with an enviable reputation for sound quality and price .
It is possible to separate the two and it should surely be the case that everyone interested in this hobby deserves to know about all product . The thread binned on PFM was the tale of a man who ditched 20k of Naim for £1200 of NVA and was absolutely delighted .
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Post by AlanS on Jul 14, 2014 11:22:21 GMT
I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner. If you continually aggravate a swarm of Bees eventually you are going to get stung. But bees die after they have stung don't they. It would be a pitty to lose PFM
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Post by Dave on Jul 14, 2014 11:26:11 GMT
I understand that Daniel, and just to add some balance, I concur with a lot of what Richard has written recently, especially regarding the shilling question. However, as I am sure Richard will admit himself, he has a rather abrupt way of putting things which often rubs people up the wrong way. I've always thought this to be a little bit dangerous seeing as he is trying to make a living in the industry he readily criticises.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 14, 2014 11:27:39 GMT
At HFS we serve a "Private Eye" function in one of our threads called "Elswhere on the Web" its purpose is to *out* bizarre or strange forum (or other source) behaviour, has been our biggest source of fun but Wigwam and PFM have had it as well. We have recently started a thread on here and you are getting a very comfortable ride of it at the moment. It is done because most forums operate a cartel where mention of other forums is banned. As apart from here I post no where else and I haven't mention PFM here it has to be that thread he is wound up about.
So me as an individual commenting on some of the hilarity and strange behaviour that goes on there merits the company I own being banned, how do those two tie up apart from as some form of vengeance. There was a point a couple of months back where he was banning his own members just for being a member at HFS and this just seems to be an extension of the same policy. Moderation Personal attack
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Post by AlanS on Jul 14, 2014 11:33:31 GMT
RD
Not every one acts and thinks with cool logic. Some humanoids are more emotional, less rational especially when there is no one to have a soothing, loving, quiet word in their ears and calm their troubled breasts
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Post by Dave on Jul 14, 2014 11:35:58 GMT
I am not suggesting they have made the correct decision Richard or even that I agree with it, because I don't, I'm just not surprised they've taken it, that's all.
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 14, 2014 11:38:47 GMT
There is no "they" involved in it, this is TonyL only
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Post by Dave on Jul 14, 2014 11:41:23 GMT
There is no "they" involved in it, this is TonyL only If that's the case then you need to take it up with him and perhaps rebuild some bridges
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Post by julesd68 on Jul 14, 2014 11:45:30 GMT
Dave , your stance lacks nuance . You need to differentiate between
Dr Bunsen - not everyone's cup of tea May or may not have been fairly banned in the past depending on perspective .
NVA - British made amplifiers with an enviable reputation for sound quality and price .
It is possible to separate the two and it should surely be the case that everyone interested in this hobby deserves to know about all product . The thread binned on PFM was the tale of a man who ditched 20k of Naim for £1200 of NVA and was absolutely delighted .
I think that sums it up for me - not much more to say really ... I would have liked to have seen the original thread - has anyone reproduced it elsewhere before it was moderated?
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 14, 2014 11:57:27 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Jul 14, 2014 12:01:01 GMT
I think it's a bit sad when mention of a person or a product is banned outright on a forum.
I prefer that we moderate according to our forum rules on a per-post basis. That way, each message is assessed on its own merits and we have no overriding rules to stifle the flow of discussion.
RD, I would say that you push the boundaries of how much you can get away with saying, so while I don't agree with the treatment you've received elsewhere, I am not in all honesty surprised.
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Post by hobnob on Jul 14, 2014 12:03:52 GMT
Sometimes minds can be changed by positive example. The best way to remove such a ban is to show it is needless and counter-productive.
I hope TAS will demonstrate that there is very limited (if any) need for banning and blanket censorship. If we end up with members of the other forums all talking to each other here, then it makes a nonsense of banning dialogue elsewhere.
There has only been moderation of unacceptable behaviour here, rather than moderation of individuals per se. No favouritism either, which is refreshing. I also like the "leave your baggage at the door" approach which I think is key.
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Post by pre65 on Jul 14, 2014 12:07:05 GMT
Personally, I think Richard has brought this on himself.
You can't act like he has done (and still does) without pissing people off.
And people who are pissed off don't always act rationally.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 14, 2014 12:08:04 GMT
Thanks (hobnob). The essence of our approach is not worrying about what has happened elsewhere, everyone gets a clean start here. Moderating the message rather than the person is key.
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