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Post by brian2957 on Nov 25, 2016 12:50:15 GMT
Yup , blue skies and white grass Andrew Yes I do hope James catches on to the delights of vinyl , although it can be expensive . The good thing is I know which albums / artists I tend to listen to mostly and I confine myself to these for the most part .
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Post by MartinT on Nov 25, 2016 12:52:44 GMT
It's special and it gives me a level of pleasure I haven't had from any other medium. What I love about CD and vinyl being very close in my system is that I can be really format agnostic. I simply don't care what it's on, I can just select the music I want to hear.
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Post by yomanze on Nov 25, 2016 13:04:08 GMT
I have never had a turntable in my system before and I have always kind of fancied and this is my friends turntable that he is selling on eBay but is willing to let me have it for £100 that's a very generous offer from him but my question to you all is is this a good sounding turntable, kind of regardless of price? Thanks for your help www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282267437697?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 And I guess another question that I have is, how would this sound compare to a very high end DIY DDDAC? I guess that's almost impossible for you to answer but if I'm going to get into analog it needs to be better offer me something different then my already very accomplished DAC I have a pretty similar DAC to yours, I wouldn't be looking for an analog rig to seriously compete unless you want to spend five figures... I enjoy playing records, and love my deck, but my DAC's in a different league. IMHO it is the non-oversampling aspect & 'mad' attention to power supply that gets rid of the 'digital ills' that people find improvements in when comparing to analog / vinyl.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 13:52:43 GMT
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Post by Sovereign on Nov 25, 2016 14:24:14 GMT
Whatever I or others think of the Project, that's a lovely gesture. There is also one pleasure of vinyl you may still get to apprciate: The sheer tactile delight of handling a vinyl album and the serene ritual of spinning a disc. Nothing like it for me If you want to make the biggest improvement for the least money, change the cartridge. It's a huge limiting factor to any turntable. I'd choose an AT95e or better an AT110 but you'd probably get some really decent used MMs for that money too. The upside is that selling on the supplied Ortofon will probably almost pay for the upgrade. Edit: can I just add that I miss my vinyl so much out here. One day....... Thanks for your help, as I'm way out of my depth here. Sounds good that I can get an upgrade effectively for free. No doubt I'll want to upgrade things especially the PSU
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Post by Sovereign on Nov 25, 2016 14:29:49 GMT
ive had that before. Your all full of anticipation and excitement with your heart in your mouth, you bid and realise in a split second that your stuffed !
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Post by Slinger on Nov 25, 2016 14:30:23 GMT
Did anyone really start out with the best system they could assemble from day 1, and if they say they did how many times has that system been revised since. I've got an upgraded Debut 2 in my second system, and if nothing else it'll mark the starting point of a journey. So, if anyone thought giving away a turntable was generous, reflect on how much Sovreign's now going to spend over the next 5 years.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 25, 2016 14:46:12 GMT
Not even nearly, and there was a time when I'd have been very grateful for a gift like the Debut.
However, several members asked if it would bear comparison with a decent CD setup, and the answer is 'no'.
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Post by Slinger on Nov 25, 2016 15:12:37 GMT
I'd have said that for £100 if it was even close to a a decent CD setup it's pretty obvious we'd all have one. Oh, wait, I do have one, and a Debut Carbon Esprit SB waiting to be plumbed in too. My main point was that this is a obviously 'starter' deck, and the term 'free' is perhaps misleading as once Sovreign has dipped his toe into the vinyl pool then the quest for vinyl perfection will begin. Of course, the vinyl would have to be molten to form a pool so perhaps after he's dipped his toe and then when he gets back from casualty the quest for vinyl perfection will begin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 15:20:57 GMT
These days you will need to spend at least twice the funds on analogue to compete with digital imho
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Post by Sovereign on Nov 25, 2016 15:50:58 GMT
I hear what your saying slinger, and your right in terms of what I may spend because I'm do gave tinkeritus. In the DIY world my upgraded DDDAC is widely known to be one of the best you can make or even buy if you did booze to take the high street off the shelf route. As I'm really trying not to spend money these days, I will have to decide very quickly to either enjoy it is (with. Wee bit of tinkering or course) as singlularity said or remove the temptation.
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Post by Slinger on Nov 26, 2016 1:04:45 GMT
What make/model was the phono stage he gave you by the way? I don't think I saw mention of it.
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Post by Sovereign on Nov 26, 2016 10:33:20 GMT
I'm on my way to pick it up, I'm not altogether sure. I think it's a Cambridge Audio Pre amp
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Post by Sovereign on Nov 26, 2016 19:35:45 GMT
Ok here we are with the new TT, you will laugh but my top shelf has my power amp on it, and that won't go on the lower shelves as you can see, so the TT has to be squeezed onto a lower shel. It was nice for this chap to give me this along with the Cambridge Audio 640. It was his pride and joy, that was very obvious. But I have a problem and I need some advice, now remember I'm a complete vinyl newbie. When I play a record through the phono stage then through my LDR pre then my power amp, the sound is extremely loud and I need to be able to turn it down,is the volume pot in my pre amp not suitable?
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Post by ant on Nov 26, 2016 20:13:40 GMT
It should be pretty much the same as the other components. Have you got the turntable plugged into the moving coil input rather than moving magnet on the phono stage? Can't tell the model number from the photo, but alot have mm and mc inputs, the mc input gain is alot higher than the mm and your cart is a moving magnet Cheers ant
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Post by Sovereign on Nov 26, 2016 20:43:19 GMT
Thanks for your help mate, the phonostage is a Cambridge Audio 540P it is only a a moving magnet. 😐
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Post by ant on Nov 26, 2016 20:59:36 GMT
Ah, thought it might be the 640p. It should be connected as follows, though you probably know this and have it connected this way anyway Tt - phono stage - pre - power Im not sure where you have got the high gain from to be honest
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Post by Sovereign on Nov 26, 2016 21:08:15 GMT
Thanks, yes that's how I have it set up, my hunch is the volume pot of the DIY LDR. I have an unfinished DIY Colin Wonfor pre that I could use, I haven't quite finished it yet. Apparently it has an outstanding phono stage but I've not connected it up yet. I could connect the Cambridge Audio phonostage to normal input on the Wonfor pre and see if that works
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Post by ant on Nov 26, 2016 21:12:07 GMT
That would eliminate one possible culprit if it is coming out full blast and the pre is not doing anything to the volume when the knob is rotated
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Post by dsjr on Nov 27, 2016 14:11:09 GMT
A problem with vintage turntables is that most if not all of them need work of some description. In recent years, as the best of them have been discovered on forums such as this one, prices have gone through the roof and what's left at lower prices can be suspect.
I typed what was a lengthy essay about used vinyl players. A waste of time really as the best ones are now expensive and what's left contains few sleepers these days. The Pro-ject won't be bad, but it will begin an upgrading bug I reckon. Cheapo Ortofon cartridges are scrappy and rough-necked to my ears, but styli can be upgraded for much better ones. Ortofon know this and charge hugely extra for these accordingly (the B*****ds) when I was once told the cantilever/diamond assemblies actually aren't hugely more from a basic diamond chip to naked diamond to fine line and so on when they'[re bought ready-assembled by the thousand.
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