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Nov 26, 2014 23:03:26 GMT
Post by dcolver on Nov 26, 2014 23:03:26 GMT
I am trialling an expensive and widely well-reviewed amplifier and pre-amp. I am not getting on with them.
Among my complaints is that the music seems slower. Clearly, it's not. The pitch is the same and tracks take the same length of time to play through with the new amplifier and my existing one. But within a bar, the music seems to be in suspended animation, taking time to unfold, and not just by a little bit. It has me wanting to shout at the machinery "get a move on!". And whereas with my own equipment, I stay up listening to well past a decent bedtime, the new stuff has me turning it off in the middle of a piece
What amplifier characteristics can cause illusions as to music's timing?
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Nov 27, 2014 5:31:27 GMT
Post by Stratmangler on Nov 27, 2014 5:31:27 GMT
Sounds like you have a case of an amplifier not having enough drive and grip to properly control the speakers. What amplifier do you use normally, and what's the one the one you have on trial? What speakers are you using?
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Nov 27, 2014 8:08:43 GMT
Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2014 8:08:43 GMT
That's a good question worthy of discussion, David. I think perceived speed is down to a few things, but for me the key is how well the leading edge of transients is resolved. This in turn is down to the design of the power supply. If the amp can respond to instant current demands then it will sound faster and more dynamic.
Thinking about the two ends of the spectrum, Naim amps sound fast because of their tightly regulated power supply, no matter what you think of the rest of the sound; conversely, the Quad 303 sounds 'pipe and slippers' slow and always has done to my ears due to an under-specified power supply with poor current delivery. It is liked exactly because it removes those edges! These are simplistic examples but I'm just trying to show a general trend.
Do you still have the Wilsons? I would imagine they need big, tightly controlled power behind them. Have you considered a Chord power amp, or even a Krell (but not all models)? For preamps, it's a no-brainer for me - the Pass Labs range beat everything I've ever heard, including Chord preamps. You may even like their power amps (if you can take the heat output).
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Nov 27, 2014 14:35:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 14:35:52 GMT
Sounds like a ref 75 and ref 5se combo to me or possibily a Vitus pairing
The AR does not have the ability to demonstrate trailing note body no matter how good KK thinks it is lol
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Nov 27, 2014 16:29:30 GMT
Post by Sovereign on Nov 27, 2014 16:29:30 GMT
I Know what you mean by slow audio. I had a SUPER quick set up about four years ago. It was old Classic John Farlowe Exposure amps which were the II pre amp with the off board PSU weighing in at 30kg and the IV DR power amp. These powered a pair old Classic no crossover Epos ES11 bookshelf speakers. I loved the sound, the amps had the speakers by the balls and the speakers did exactly as they were told. The rhythm and pace was incredible. The music would start and stop with incredible pace.
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Nov 27, 2014 17:43:28 GMT
Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2014 17:43:28 GMT
The AR does not have the ability to demonstrate trailing note body no matter how good KK thinks it is lol I've always found Audio Research power amps a little lifeless and lacking in urge.
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