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Post by rfan8312 on May 9, 2024 13:50:00 GMT
I saw a film recently, The Ministry Of Ungentlemanly Warfare. There is a scene of one character going about his work of dispatching many of the enemy during an invasion scene. The music in that scene hasn't left my mind for a week. Each new weekend I go to the movies to see something I am always tempted to go back in to that one to see Eiza Gonzalez and hear that music.
And I wonder about the music...oh that's right ...it's a Guy Ritchie film.
So far nothing has beat his use of Johnny Cash in Wrath Of Man.
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Post by Tim on May 9, 2024 14:16:02 GMT
Not seen that Tim, so added to my Amazon watchlist thanks! It's very good . . . the below is a good example of why I dislike a lot of mainstream cinema. It's not really a spoiler as every trailer for either Force Majeure or Downhill has this scene, but if you want to watch it blind, maybe leave it until after?
Perhaps because I watch so many films I've become a lot more critical, just a good story isn't enough anymore. Editing, lighting, camera blocking and composition are often just as important, as is the score and how well written the script is. My two biggest bug bears though are exposition and editing.
You can probably guess which scene I prefer!
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Post by julesd68 on May 9, 2024 20:01:33 GMT
Well I can't disagree with any of that Tim but what I can say from my own perspective is that I am a lot more relaxed about technical details than I was when I was making films. I used to be much more sensitive and hypercritical I guess - whilst I was watching a film or commercial I was always analysing the shots if there was a camera, lighting or VFX technique that I didn't understand or was interested in using myself. Makes it more difficult to immerse yourself in a film.
The advent of HD was painful for me as there was great pressure to use it from producers to save money and I had been used to working on 35mm for some years but it has taken well over a decade for HD cameras to be serious capture tools in my eyes. I hated the look of early HD, it often looked so amateurish compared to film even in the hands of elite cinematographers, especially in low light. Some directors were often much more casual in the way they shot with it because tape or storage is so cheap, which of course is not conducive to a high quality end product. The most disciplined directors are often the most successful.
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Post by MartinT on May 9, 2024 20:14:39 GMT
If you like that, try The Gentlemen on Netflix. Another Guy Ritchie, this time a series. Wonderful fun! |
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Post by Tim on May 9, 2024 22:45:45 GMT
I hated the look of early HD . . . . I still do . . .
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Post by MartinT on May 10, 2024 4:30:23 GMT
Even 4K can look poor by the time it has gone through some broadcast compressors. At its best, though, it's wonderful.
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Post by julesd68 on May 10, 2024 13:29:04 GMT
Indeed, the difference between watching a decent regular or 4K Blu-ray Vs 4k streaming is night and day in terms of picture quality.
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Post by julesd68 on May 10, 2024 13:33:51 GMT
I hated the look of early HD . . . . I still do . . .
LOL - me too. Do you remember Collateral from 2004? A decent film from Michael Mann which conveniently avoided any serious scrutiny of the image quality. It was his first digital production. |
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Post by MartinT on May 10, 2024 13:34:21 GMT
I used to think the BBC were using terrible compressors but now their UHD broadcasts are some of the best looking ones.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 11, 2024 10:50:37 GMT
No matter the technology, magic bullet or otherwise there are very many people that can still do an awful job.
They don't care or more likely just don't have the ability to see
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Post by MartinT on May 11, 2024 10:59:26 GMT
I think video streaming is like audio streaming. Most see it as revenue, a few care about the quality.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 11, 2024 12:39:21 GMT
Most business focus on making money
Pride in workmanship is not even seen by most
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Post by Tim on May 11, 2024 13:15:28 GMT
They don't care or more likely just don't have the ability to see I think the latter part of that statement is closer to the truth Mike... anyone can make a bad film, few can make a good one and attaining excellence is a bar most only dream of.
I watched this for the 5th time last night and it's now hailed as a modern masterpiece, which I 100% agree with. It's extraordinary in every way and is one of my favourite films of all time. I have mentioned it before, but quite a few years ago and this is aimed mostly at julesd68 as I'm not sure who else might enjoy it? Finding it might be harder, it is on MUBI and BFI but not Netflix.
2018's South Korean film by Lee Chang-dong called Burning. If anyone does take a punt, the only thing I'll say is the less you know going in the more you'll get from it - and you do need a certain kind of patience as there is zero exposition and you'll be left thinking about it when it's over. It's subtle rhythmic pace guides you through the unfolding story, which is very observational and never totally reveals itself. It also has one of my favourite Miles Davis pieces too, Générique.
A triumph of cinema and I think it might be better than Bong Joon-ho's Parasite . . . . actually that's a good marker, if you didn't like Parasite I doubt you'll enjoy this and it's about as far away from a Guy Ritchie film as you can get! |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 11, 2024 15:21:45 GMT
Worth a punt Tim, if on Prime
Thought Parasite was just a bunch on con artists though
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Post by rfan8312 on May 11, 2024 19:40:42 GMT
Apparently the $50,000 Sennheiser HE-1, successor to the Orpheus (HE-90) headphone system, makes a cameo in the film Parasite.
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Post by Tim on May 11, 2024 19:45:10 GMT
Apparently the $50,000 Sennheiser HE-1, successor to the Orpheus (HE-90) headphone system, makes a cameo in the film Parasite. Well I did not know that . . . I'm going to have a look right now, as I was thinking about watching that tonight 
And MikeMusic - yup, can't argue that there are what appear to be crooks in Parasite . . . but which ones are they? |
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Post by rfan8312 on May 11, 2024 20:36:47 GMT
Tim, if you watch it, can you report back whether it's true? And then after that can you take your fingers and place them the on keyboard once again and admit that the film Snatch is a masterpiece?
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Post by Tim on May 12, 2024 8:23:25 GMT
Tim, if you watch it, can you report back whether it's true? And then after that can you take your fingers and place them the on keyboard once again and admit that the film Snatch is a masterpiece? Well if they are there, must have been a fleeting glance. The main room hi-fi has a big tube amp and turntable, but I didn't see any headphones or an HE-1 amp. They might be in the film, but I didn't notice them and I was looking.
As for Snatch being a masterpiece? Well it's certainly Guy Ritchie's masterpiece, but I personally don't think he's made a really good film since then, but I haven't seen everything he's made and after walking out of King Arthur, I've normally given Mr. Ritchie a wide berth - his films do have an audience, but they're not really my thing.
I have quite a low tolerance level for action/thriller films these days, but I did think The Beekeeper was a lot of fun . . . to quote Mark Kermode "I mean . . . it's preposterous tosh, but I really enjoyed it" 
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Post by Tim on May 12, 2024 11:59:50 GMT
Ah-ha, I just found it completely by accident and it is fleeting!
I was side-watching the below whilst having a coffee and bacon sandwich and noticed something . . . I wound it back and there it is in the background. A Sennheiser HE-1, or if not, something near identical? It's at 2m 30s in this montage synopsis and at about 39m 30s in the main film. It's not setup in the main room near the sound system, but an alcove or office somewhere.
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Post by rfan8312 on May 12, 2024 15:44:44 GMT
Thanks Tim. Wow, a 50k headphone relegated to the background and only the tubes are visible lol. Still very cool.
Fair enough regarding Guy Ritchie, Tim. Personally what I have come to believe though is that his use of music transforms a scene into something entirely different than is what is on the page of the script. Especially in Snatch, Wrath Of Man and Rock N Rolla. And each film has many scenes like that. One example is the scene of the rabbit being chased in Snatch. Imo regardless of how his films can be graded objectively, Ritchie's films in great part due to the music selected and how it is applied, create a spell for the viewer to experience.
Have you seen his film Rock N Rolla? I think it's his best work. Released in 2008. 10/10 imo.
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