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Post by Greg on Oct 18, 2014 20:57:02 GMT
MODERATION: Posts moved from VFM thread
The ruling was that off-topic posts on that thread would be deleted. As your comment is valid feedback I have given it a thread of its own in the appropriate place Greg.
ChrisB Sometimes I really wish moderators would not interfere, deleting posts etc. It does nothing towards helping the conflict work out a resolution. Afterall, what are you moderators trying to protect? It is just words on the internet. No one has died! The interference simply perpetuates the conflict, closing an argument down in the short term (as on this thread) only to re-appear in another thread at a later date. For once, please let the buggers fight it out and wait and see if they can reach their own conclusions. Furthermore, your moderation stops a considerable amount of entertainment the rest of us could enjoy 
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Post by jammy on Oct 18, 2014 21:21:45 GMT
Spot on Greg.  I think its a bit of light hearted entertainment, some folk take it far to serious though. |
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Post by Tim on Oct 19, 2014 2:30:17 GMT
I have to admit I agree with Greg. Heavy moderation hides the truth, or presents a version of the truth that fits the forums agenda. This leaves the door open for possible accusations of favouritism or bias. Unless posts contain direct threats or excessive profanity, I say leave it for all to read, then everyone can see just what some individuals are really like and make up their own minds. And as Greg says, sometimes it can be highly entertaining  |
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Post by jammy on Oct 19, 2014 2:42:20 GMT
The last censored debate was just simmering along nicely it had all the makings of a classic......
A bit like a good old heavy weight boxing bout - You've stayed up till 3am, its the start of the 12th when bang theres a fukin power cut.
Who you gonna call - Well it aint Ghostbusters.
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Post by Paul Barker on Oct 19, 2014 8:01:20 GMT
I don't know what VFM stands for and can't find the thread. Wouldn't have lokked if moderators hadne't mucked about with it. Now I am interested in it.
Maybe leave things alone they burn out faster without moderators help?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 8:09:40 GMT
I don't know what VFM stands for and can't find the thread. Wouldn't have lokked if moderators hadne't mucked about with it. Now I am interested in it. Maybe leave things alone they burn out faster without moderators help? VFM = Value For Money |
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Post by Paul Barker on Oct 19, 2014 8:14:18 GMT
Never would have thought of that. I was thinking something to do with seting up an arm correctly. Those guys bore me to death so I never look at their posts.
I am a vinyl head but bored to death about arm and cartridge set up.
Just use a air bearing and only have to consider getting the mass and the angle correct. It's all I can cope with!
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Post by Greg on Oct 19, 2014 20:38:02 GMT
Well, of course, Chris, you are right to redirect my post into this thread. Unfortunately that ensures it gets little scrutiny and therefore little contribution from other members because few look here. It's a kind of a soft censorship. It doesn't come readily to the attention of others, and the posts of the likes of Paul just side tracks the original issue. (No disrespect to Paul....he is a friend of mine).
Sometimes, although a post should be moved to another place, because of history on the original thread, it should remain where it was originally posted which in this instance I would have preferred and think is more relevant, because although you edited the thread, many read what was written before you intervened and deleted what others said.
I have no doubt being a moderator is a PITA, but as you have signed up to the task, it really would be helpful if you and your colleagues think these things through before you take action. Sometimes, your value judgments are extremely suspect or simply inadequately shallow and not properly thought through. No disrespect, and again, recognise what you do is probably a demanding task, however, to get the balance right, IMHO, you do need to apply a balanced attention to accommodate everyone who makes contributions on these sort of threads. Post deletion is the easy way out (for you in the short term) and actually fails to allow the posters in conflict to find a conclusion. So, as said, all you achieve is moving the dispute to another thread as and when it is raised at another time. You are not cleaning your forum....you are simply removing the surface dirt. That is a 'sticking plaster' approach which offers no long term solutions.
Regards,
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Post by Paul Barker on Oct 19, 2014 20:45:49 GMT
(No disrespect to Paul....he is a friend of mine). Grego Respect and sorry for my usual drift off topic. |
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 19, 2014 20:58:41 GMT
Well, bugger me.
Just when I thought I was being nice by not deleting (as promised) your off-topic post.
It's never a decision taken lightly Greg believe me.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 19, 2014 21:10:21 GMT
Unfortunately, Greg, you are not privy to the full story and Chris did the right thing by pruning and moving what was left of the off-topic material.
Sorry that it upset you, but we never do these things lightly.
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Post by Greg on Oct 19, 2014 22:39:12 GMT
Unfortunately, Greg, you are not privy to the full story and Chris did the right thing by pruning and moving what was left of the off-topic material. Well, I may be better informed than you think. You don't know so you have no grounds to make that statement. I respect your right to manage your forum however you will and for Chris to moderate accordingly, and will accept what you decide in managing contentious issues. I do think however you could find a better way of doing this. With clever moderation you have the potential to close down forum disputes once and for all, so they no longer pollute the threads here in the future. Your current approach just stops what is happening in the present. The virus does not go away and certainly will re-appear. Clever moderation could close it all down once and for all. Having said that, I return to my previous statement. Let the buggers get on with it. If they can, surely they will find their own outcome which is best for you and everyone else and in the course of doing so, supply many of us with good entertainment along the way. Greg |
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Post by MartinT on Oct 19, 2014 22:43:39 GMT
Greg, we did what we could but your feedback is duly noted, thanks.
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 19, 2014 22:49:26 GMT
Greg, if you want to use the internet for the 'entertainment' value that you might gain from witnessing people hurling abuse at each other, then, I promise, you will find far better places to do that than here.
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 19, 2014 23:32:57 GMT
I respect your right to manage your forum however you will and for Chris to moderate accordingly, and will accept what you decide in managing contentious issues. This actually needs clarifying as Martin always seems to bear the brunt of this type of thread. For the record, TAS is jointly owned by John, Martin and myself. We manage it on an equal basis and share all fundamental management decisions. |
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Post by John on Oct 20, 2014 5:28:51 GMT
Thanks for you input Greg. Moderating is a reluctant task that no one hear takes lightly. However we would never go down the route as a free for all around insults that have a history
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 8:21:00 GMT
I have to congratulate the moderators for grasping the nettle and Banning (suspending indefinitely) the main instigator of attacks and insults on the forum. Only wish the right person had been dealt with earlier as it might have avoided the situation with Richard Dunn. I know he can be forthright in his views and language but he does bring a wealth of technical knowledge to the table unlike some people who merely think they know it all. I think the forum could do with such input from experts and manufacturers as long as they don't come on to promote their products. I think some of the previous attacks and light moderation may have led to Dave Cawley deciding not to contribute further. That's at least two worthwhile sources of expert knowledge unavailable to members. Just my personal opinion.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 20, 2014 8:38:18 GMT
Noted, Paul. It's a shame that these actions have to be taken, but we're going for a period of stability and calmness right now and will not be making changes at this time.
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