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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 11, 2014 14:40:46 GMT
Some go on too long. Others step out way too early, or so it seems. However if they lost something that's ok.
What amazes me is how damned good some old geezers are. Can't imagine such good sounds can come out of such on old looking punter
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Post by javed on Oct 11, 2014 15:02:19 GMT
Perhaps it would be nice to be a bit more informative as to your reasons for suffering.If it wasn't Elkie's voice
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Post by javed on Oct 11, 2014 15:06:24 GMT
Yes !!! very tonque in cheek. Some of the comments on are far from polite. Nice site though .
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Post by speedysteve on Oct 11, 2014 15:31:14 GMT
Hmm, pretty painful! Mind you some of the live performance you see on the telly from Glastonbury and the like are pretty shocking, to me at any rate. Florance and and machine being one I particularly remember - had to turn it off! The audience were loving it?! Volume perhaps has something to do with it - there's a pleasure trigger that makes you feel good no matter what the sound is:) news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/645578.stm I thought it was higher than 90dB but perhaps it just carries on and on hence the deafening music played in bars, clubs and gigs. Earplugs all round I think:)!
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Post by Tim on Oct 11, 2014 16:21:25 GMT
Perhaps it would be nice to be a bit more informative as to your reasons for suffering.If it wasn't Elkie's voice The point of my post (which I think you missed), was more to do with peoples expectations differing, in that I found it dreadful but the majority seemed to enjoy it, rather than just Elkie's voice. You jumped to that conclusion I assume due to peoples shock at how bad Fleetwood Mac sounded vocally and then joined the dots, which was incorrect. But if you want an explanation then firstly the sound in the venue was poor, it's a local less than 5 miles away so I'm very familiar with it and the sound is normally excellent (it's a restored 1936 theatre with good acoustics). So that's down to either an inadequate sound check, the artists not being on their game or a lazy/incompetent sound engineer on the desk, or perhaps a mixture of all three? Next and probably the defining factor was her extremely lack lustre band, who I have no doubt are very competent individually, but they were wooden, in-cohesive and seemed to be playing for themselves, not together - the timing was all over the place. Maybe an off night, or a disagreement in the dressing room beforehand, who knows, but they sure weren't 'a band' that night. Then Elkie herself I found annoying, prancing around the stage like a teenager on tartrazine and constantly giving the thumbs up sign, what's that all about? Slightly undignified I thought for a woman approaching 70 and entirely unnecessary. Finally her voice isn't what it was, but I wouldn't expect it to be at 69. So when you add that lot up it was enough for me and I rarely walk out of gigs, maybe half a dozen in 40 years, but this was a very poor performance by all involved. I saw Judie Tzuke (58) there recently and she doesn't sound the same as she did in the 70's, but she pulled off a superb performance, without the need for any histrionics and she had a cold! But that's me, I perhaps have higher expectations as I experience a lot of live music, so I don't have the patience for artists who either don't care on the night or are past it. I have paid to be entertained and if I'm not being, I leave.
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 11, 2014 17:08:38 GMT
This is 'Little Lies' from Madison Square Garden earlier in the year. Much, much better IMO so I'm going with Paul's suggestion that maybe their ear monitors had packed in for the performance that the OP posted ...
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Post by Tim on Oct 11, 2014 17:24:35 GMT
It's hard to judge what a performance is really like from a video, you really have to be there IMO. Plus when you are there, the atmosphere can be as infectious and addictive as the music. I know a lot of these ageing bands sometimes have 'help' from the mixing desk, but who cares, if the shows good and you are in the same room as them, then often that is more than enough. That looks good Jules, top man and Lindsey can still play a riff or two
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Post by AlanS on Oct 12, 2014 15:50:12 GMT
This is 'Little Lies' from Madison Square Garden earlier in the year. Much, much better IMO so I'm going with Paul's suggestion that maybe their ear monitors had packed in for the performance that the OP posted ... Thank you for that more balanced perspective to their recent performances.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 12, 2014 16:43:32 GMT
saw Judie Tzuke (58) there recently and she doesn't sound the same as she did in the 70's, but she pulled off a superb performance, without the need for any histrionics and she had a cold! I thought Judie Tzuke performed superbly last year, for someone who is no longer a spring chicken. She was engaging and still very much able to deliver. Her two daughters are pretty amazing, too, especially Bailey.
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Post by Clive on Oct 13, 2014 9:18:06 GMT
When I clicked on the OP link I have to say it sounds dire. When I listened just now for a 2nd time to let my wife hear it, it didn't sound anywhere near as bad as the first time. It seems my expectations the 2nd time were so low it sounded not too bad. There's also an element of the vocals being so different to the original that I think this forms part of the shock on the first time hearing.
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Post by pinkie on Oct 16, 2014 8:57:02 GMT
This is 'Little Lies' from Madison Square Garden earlier in the year. Much, much better IMO so I'm going with Paul's suggestion that maybe their ear monitors had packed in for the performance that the OP posted ... Thank you for that more balanced perspective to their recent performances. Better than the dire performance in the first post. Still a bit sad I think. I was about to leap to their defense protectively, but... I heard them without McVie at Wembley 2 or 3 years back and they were awesome - particularly Lyndsay Buckingham. It may have been gently sad to see they were not young rock and rollers any more, my teenage fantasy memory of Stevie Nicks rather spoilt by the zimmer frame version, and watching stage hands hydrate Mick Fleetwood mid-drumming were amusing. But for all that - the performance was as good as ever. Sadly McVies voice just sounds old. The difference is more likely to be a proper warm up for MSG whereas she had to kick off solo from cold for this show - which is not easy at the best of times. I don't think it's in-ear monitor problem. Ageing voice not warmed up. But not a video I imagine the band will be remotely comfortable with.
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Post by Stratmangler on Oct 16, 2014 9:41:09 GMT
The difference is more likely to be a proper warm up for MSG whereas she had to kick off solo from cold for this show - which is not easy at the best of times. I don't think it's in-ear monitor problem. Ageing voice not warmed up. But not a video I imagine the band will be remotely comfortable with. This sums up my thoughts entirely. Singing is a very physical activity, and if you're not properly warmed up you're going to have problems. If you've not been out touring for a lengthy time then the simple act of singing for the best part of a couple of hours night after night is going to be a physical ordeal, and extremely tiring. And one thing I've had to learn to live with as I'm getting older is that I don't recover from hard physical exertion as well as I did when I was younger. It's no different singing for a living - recovery is slower than it used to be.
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