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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 17:16:33 GMT
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Post by julesd68 on Oct 10, 2014 17:54:36 GMT
I lasted up till 1 min 42 secs ... Rather sad I think. Hope it was a one-off ..
Interesting I was just reading a recent review which only criticized Stevie Nicks's voice as not being able to hit the high notes any more!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 19:19:05 GMT
An SH Forum member who went to an FM concert in the States the other night said Nicks was in fine voice and hitting all the high notes. Just bought her superb new solo album.
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 10, 2014 19:20:26 GMT
I got through the first song and yes, it was awful. 'The Chain' was a bit better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 19:22:35 GMT
About 20 seconds was enough for me, I was about to switch off and Ronnie yelled "christ, turn it off she's flat and its awful"
Sad sad sad. Do they need the dosh or something?
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Post by Tim on Oct 10, 2014 19:33:56 GMT
. . . a recent review which only criticized Stevie Nicks's voice as not being able to hit the high notes any more! Well if her latest album 24 Karat Gold is anything to go by I agree. Not only don't I like the songs (over syrupy 80's pop), but her voice is really dreadful and that's in a studio, live will be a huge challenge. Shame really, she went to Nashville to record it and had Dave Stewart produce it, who's sweet tooth for over production ruined what could have been a good album. Jeez, Nashville, she could have picked whoever she wanted! Could have possibly made a blinder and accepted her age and sang like her voice is, without trying to turn the clock back. Anyway, back to this - the F Mac tour will no doubt get rave reviews, but their days have gone for the music which made them the great IMO. I would like to see them get back into the studio and produce some new music and play it like it is now, but I think that day has past too. At least Kate Bush, whatever you think of her, didn't attempt anything she couldn't handle, which I respect - we all get old. Shame really, mind you it might have been the show production, but it ain't pretty that's for sure! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 19:52:11 GMT
I don't agree about the 24 karat Gold album Tim. Production could be better (rolled off top end) but Nicks singing in the studio is still serviceable. Songs are pretty typical of the style on her first three albums and many are good enough to have got on those. They sound rather under rehearsed and frankly Christine has probably not sung seriously in years. Of course Fleetwood and McVie are still superb players. I wonder if it was cold on that day because the vocals were below par even allowing for age. Some artists have a few tricks for maintaining their voices and it looks like they just went out assuming they could do what they did 30 years ago without putting in some extra effort or changing the arrangements a little. As I said in a previous post there are reports of a better vocal performance on another day. I am surprised they lowered themselves to a 'shopping centre' performance. Pretty risky given the likely sound problems.
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Post by Tim on Oct 10, 2014 21:16:47 GMT
I don't agree about the 24 karat Gold album Tim. I did notice that you liked it Paul. I guess I was expecting so much more, as I was really looking forward to it as I'm a fan of Stevie, Bella Donna and Shangri-La are superb. I think it was a mistake giving it to Dave Stewart and as she recorded it in Nashville, I just wonder what maybe Charlie Peacock, T-Bone Burnett, Daniel Lanois or Gurf Morlix would have made of it. Our own Ethan Johns would have done something great I'm sure and look at what Rick Rubin did with Johnny Cash? No attempt made there to hide behind anything, we got Johhny raw just as he was at the time and damn, did he do a fine job. I think as it was 'new' I was expecting new, not regurgitated 80's pop, but if that's what she wanted and people like it, then who am I to argue - I just think it could have been a really great album, as the songs themselves, albeit lyrically a little dated, are fine - the production is dire and with her voice trying to be what it isn't anymore, I think she hasn't pulled it off, not for me anyway. I so wanted to like it too, but I just don't. I won't give up on it just yet though, but I think Stevie missed a trick here. |
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Post by MartinT on Oct 10, 2014 22:25:24 GMT
Oh dear, what a shame. I think I'll just remember them for some great moments at their peak. Perhaps there really is an age at which it's best to retire gracefully.
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Post by Tim on Oct 10, 2014 22:54:51 GMT
Perhaps there really is an age at which it's best to retire gracefully. It's a tough one isn't it Martin? I think we are perhaps a really tough crowd, but there will be hundreds of thousands of fans who will be over the moon to see them again and question our sanity - who's right? I went to a sold out Elkie Brooks gig not too long ago and it really was sold out, I couldn't see an empty seat. It was shocking and it pained me to last 20 minutes before leaving. I didn't see anyone else leave before or with me and I suspect the majority went home very happy. |
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Post by Slinger on Oct 10, 2014 23:57:30 GMT
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Post by javed on Oct 11, 2014 8:04:13 GMT
I went to see an Elkie Brooks concert recently,(my parents suggested I should) she was FANTASTIC. Her voice was always amazing. Rock, Blues, Jazz. This singer should be highly recognized worldwide. Tim senior member (comment above)should have stayed and turned up his deaf aid, he missed so much. Elkie Brooks CAN still hit the high notes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 8:28:39 GMT
The problem is people have off days. Now three singers singing flat is highly unusual which suggests maybe the ear monitors had packed in. Would have thought musicians of their standard could cover that better.
Listened to half the Nicks Lp last night and am quite happy with her vocal. I guess the vinyl sounds better than digital but I don't put the 'production' down to Dave Stewart as he is one of 3 producers incl Nicks. I think given the way this was recorded most of the producers Tim suggests (excl Ethan Johns) this would have sounded similar. I suspect pro tools though only overdubs mentioned. Several studios, different overdub engineers and most significantly mixed by Chris Lord Alge. Never liked the sound of stuff he was involved in even going back to analogue era. He is noted for his use of dynamic range compression.
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Post by AlanS on Oct 11, 2014 9:32:17 GMT
What a miserable lot you are. Sure it wasn't very tuneful but if she/they have been out of the game for some time, they have aged and it was a live performance without the benefit of creating the right illusion via the studio. In brutal mode they were all a bit off but...
Easy to criticise
I guess you are all well under 40 yourselves
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Post by Tim on Oct 11, 2014 9:33:57 GMT
I went to see an Elkie Brooks concert recently,(my parents suggested I should) she was FANTASTIC. Her voice was always amazing. Rock, Blues, Jazz. This singer should be highly recognized worldwide. Tim senior member (comment above)should have stayed and turned up his deaf aid, he missed so much. Elkie Brooks CAN still hit the high notes. I think you missed my point old bean and no need to shout, I have 'my deaf aid' turned up thanks. Glad you enjoyed it and you have made an assumption I didn't like it because of Elkie's voice, which is the wrong assumption. It would be interesting to hear it on vinyl Paul (24 Karat Gold) to see if it makes a difference, but it's the composition of the songs and what I perceive to be the 'overly rich production' that's not working for me, not how it sounds in a digital/analogue sense. I'm going to give it another go though and hopefully I can join you in loving it  I know that video doesn't sound good, but I think you would need to be there and to hear them do a gig before dismissing them, then again getting a ticket wouldn't be that easy! |
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 11, 2014 12:09:08 GMT
Bring back Peter Green and Danny Kirwan !
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 11, 2014 12:24:47 GMT
Amen to that brother!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 13:28:54 GMT
Time to quit now and save the embarrassment of further debacles.
Such a shame, better to end on the memories of ex refuges from Woodstock's stoned ex hippie community than attempt to recreate the late seventies glory days.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 11, 2014 14:04:49 GMT
I went to see an Elkie Brooks concert recently,(my parents suggested I should) she was FANTASTIC. Her voice was always amazing. Rock, Blues, Jazz. This singer should be highly recognized worldwide. Tim senior member (comment above)should have stayed and turned up his deaf aid, he missed so much. Elkie Brooks CAN still hit the high notes. Hi Javed, we like to keep things polite here so I'm sure your comment about Tim was made tongue in cheek. I very much doubt that you go to the number of concerts that he attends, so he should know.
Would you mind saying hello in the Welcome area so that we know a little about you?
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Post by MartinT on Oct 11, 2014 14:08:33 GMT
What a miserable lot you are. Sure it wasn't very tuneful but if she/they have been out of the game for some time, they have aged and it was a live performance without the benefit of creating the right illusion via the studio. In brutal mode they were all a bit off but... Easy to criticise Only up to a point, and I hate being an armchair critic.
However, in brutal mode (I like that phrase), they are in 'employment' as entertainers. if I returned to work after a break and performed like that (in any line of work), I would expect to receive censure.
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