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Post by John on Nov 30, 2022 19:52:47 GMT
I have been in a similar situation for many years and it's only the last few years I feel like I have addressed those issues.
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Post by wannarock2 on Nov 30, 2022 20:05:09 GMT
Nov 30, 2022 11:30:33 GMT -8 palace said:
I live atop a hill in NW London surrounded by 2 airports a plethora of large phone masts/communication towers and Ealing Broadway with communication transmitters on top of buildings. The RFI/EMI is so bad ...
man, i bet your views across the landscape are spectacular but, i do have concern for your bodily health
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Post by palace on Nov 30, 2022 20:52:24 GMT
Nov 30, 2022 11:30:33 GMT -8 palace said: I live atop a hill in NW London surrounded by 2 airports a plethora of large phone masts/communication towers and Ealing Broadway with communication transmitters on top of buildings. The RFI/EMI is so bad ... man, i bet your views across the landscape are spectacular but, i do have concern for your bodily health The views from our top floor flat via the Velux windows in the loft extension are indeed exceptional they come into their own on ceremonial fly pasts I've lots of photos of the Red Arrows & Battle of Brittan Memorial Flight etc. Another bonus is my TV picture with the same Sony TV has improved exponentially as I have added ferrite's the resolution I would liken it to going from VHS to Blu-ray. As for the health issues most of London is the same, I would really be worried if there were pylons carrying high voltage National Grid Cables nearby, or repeating a weeks camping with my then young daughter on a friends farm in Cumbria subsequently to discover it was down wind of the Chernobyl disaster contamination for some years his sheep had to be gathered twice a year for testing & had to be brought off the fells a month before sale eating grass from tested uncontaminated fields. addendum: I am adding that the WIFI is also cleaner PC screen no longer has interference
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Post by wannarock2 on Nov 30, 2022 21:55:18 GMT
^ good to hear
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Post by MartinT on Dec 1, 2022 20:04:24 GMT
Before leaving the subject of electrical isolation, can you have too much?
I think in my case, the answer is around 5 stages before the limiting effects are clear. My environment is relatively quiet compared with some members here, my music room is a separate annex, the incoming mains is dedicated and the noise is fairly low with a reasonable sinusoidal waveform shape, and I'm far away from the closest SMPS and motors in the main house.
My 5 stages of isolation are: 1. 4G mobile (cellular) data 2. DXE ethernet filters 3. Uptone EtherREGEN with moat 4. Optical link with JD094B-C SFPs and ipolex cable 5. Gustard U18 with moat
After this level of isolation, self-generated noise will begin to take precedence.
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Post by HD Music & Test on Dec 2, 2022 16:06:06 GMT
This is what we call signal integrity, these are basic steps in reducing the degregation of any signals along with a few other methods of reducing noise in many electronic/electrical/RF and electro mechnaical systems.
THis maybe of interest to a few of you.
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Post by HD Music & Test on Dec 2, 2022 20:22:31 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Dec 2, 2022 21:23:23 GMT
Phenomenal speeds, but does audio need it?
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Post by MartinT on Dec 2, 2022 21:46:26 GMT
Let's talk about vibration control. I can only relate to what I've learned, which is a tiny window into the subject.
There are two main types of support: coupling and decoupling. The first couples energy transfer between components, presumably to something else that can absorb it. The latter isolates and damps each component. I have learned that coupling doesn't work for me and have systematically eliminated all hard spikes from my system. They have the effect of hardening the sound and exaggerating the edges, the exact opposite of what I want to achieve.
Some decoupling solutions, like sorbothane, don't provide much in the way of damping or control. However, it has its uses. I have a box full of different types of decoupling supports and footers and have fallen on two that absolutely work for me and are used exclusively throughout my system.
The two products are RDC Cones and Black Ravioli Pads and Big Pads. RDCs are used for the Solid Tech system rack and the Electric Beach S1NX shelves. Black Ravioli are used under each component, including the grounding boxes. The thing about Black Ravioli is its ability to not just isolate, but provide an extraordinary amount of damping from a seemingly inert hard block of constrained layer material. The whole idea is to prevent damaging vibrations from reaching into the electronic components and particularly sensitive sections such as the clocks. All components are microphonic to a degree and vibrations rob the music of fine detail and soundstage.
The only exception to the above are the Townshend Podiums supporting my speakers. They do a similar job but on a macro level to support the 160kg speakers by 'floating' them on dampened springs. Instead of preventing vibrations from getting in, they prevent the speakers from vibrating and coupling it to the floor. In so doing, they greatly enhance the quality of the sound throughout the range and tighten and deepen the bass without loading up the room.
The final part of my solution is to add weights on top of components, which seem to enhance the Black Ravioli, providing further mass damping. I use granite placemats & coasters, and Schramm door stoppers, but there are plenty of elegant solutions available for this purpose.
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Post by MikeMusic on Dec 3, 2022 10:54:19 GMT
Not all that long ago this was regarded as very strange. Still is by many who haven't heard the effect it has on the sound.
Isolating grounding boxes really takes the biscuit
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Post by MartinT on May 21, 2023 11:30:12 GMT
I thought I'd try the BNC plug shielding touted in Head-Fi and somewhere here (I couldn't find the post) as I have lots of spare sticky-back copper foil. I've put some around all four BNC connectors of my two clock cables. This is acknowledging that sinewave clocks are more sensitive to shielding and noise. I hear a little more depth and a little more tiny detail in the soundstage. I'm not complaining for a zero cost tweak. Now that I know it works, I'll apply a new lot more tidily and ensure full coverage.
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Post by John on May 21, 2023 11:37:30 GMT
I did similar and it paid off for me
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Post by stellabagpuss on May 22, 2023 20:22:58 GMT
I did similar and it paid off for me That's the same technique l've used internally on your Multiflex 141 BNC John.
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Post by mansie on May 26, 2023 10:52:52 GMT
... sticky-back copper foil. I've put some around all four BNC connectors of my two clock cables. ... Is the stick-back copper foil electrically connected to the BNC connectors or is it still isolated from them, creating a sort of "Faraday cage" around the BNC? If the former, how can this be beneficial in filtering out RFI/EMI?
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Post by MartinT on May 26, 2023 10:58:55 GMT
It's electrically connected as I fold the first section underneath for the copper to make contact with the BNC body. I don't want to create an antenna.
I shall return to these and decide on whether they're staying once I solve my DAC to power amp phono run.
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Post by mattspl on May 26, 2023 18:31:10 GMT
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Post by MartinT on May 26, 2023 18:42:40 GMT
I do virtually all of that, except wrapping the router in EMI shielding - but it's far from the main system.
I use twin DXE filters at either end of the Supra Cat8 ethernet cable.
It also has a heavy weight on top and has its own QA grounding box.
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Post by mattspl on May 26, 2023 18:56:07 GMT
I must look into trying a few more tweaks, but I finally got to a point where I’m happy with the way things are sounding, so I’m afraid to mess with things.
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Post by MartinT on May 26, 2023 19:02:35 GMT
I finally got to a point where I’m happy with the way things are sounding, so I’m afraid to mess with things. I know that feeling. Listen to it, don't fiddle until something changes.
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Post by MartinT on May 29, 2023 10:34:20 GMT
It's electrically connected as I fold the first section underneath for the copper to make contact with the BNC body. I don't want to create an antenna. I shall return to these and decide on whether they're staying once I solve my DAC to power amp phono run. Nah, I've removed them again. None of this shielding is doing it for me, either having no effect (like this copper foil) or an adverse effect (like RFI painting grounding boxes). I shall steer clear of it. It looks unsightly, too. I am having enough fun hearing the differences between clock cables and interconnects, which can easily be heard.
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