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Post by stellabagpuss on Nov 18, 2022 15:30:18 GMT
l have just purchased a set of Monitor Audio Studio speakers, that are used, but managed to pick them up cheaply.
This speaker has been on my radar for quite some time,in view as a replacement to my Definitive Technology D7.
I will post a better review in few days time, but at this stage,l'm very pleased with the proformance of the Studios, they bring excellent insight resolution and speed.
More to follow.
Damien
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Post by Slinger on Nov 18, 2022 16:10:12 GMT
I love my MA speakers, they were excellent value for the quality they bring with them, even bought new. I would imagine these to be equally well-balanced, but a bit " bass-light" as far as reproducing the actual low-frequency end of things. Mind you, your two 4" drivers add up to the same as my single 8" driver, so what do I know? I'll be interestred to read your findings.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Nov 18, 2022 16:50:18 GMT
l'll play over the weekend, one comment l can make,they seem to bass light compared to the little D7's,but that's a bit off the cuff,as l have to alter my XO, the D7 port outputs so much, l,ve had to put a 63hz notch filter at -8db to reduce the peak,of course room resonance is included in this.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 18, 2022 20:54:04 GMT
Mind you, your two 4" drivers add up to the same as my single 8" driver, so what do I know? No, two 4" drivers add up to half the surface area of an 8" driver.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Nov 18, 2022 22:34:43 GMT
So just some thoughts on how and why, I've ended up with a speaker change. Like John I had a period of having a stupid amount of speakers changes, but prior to that episode I used to run Monitor Audio Studio 20 SEC, I liked them so much, I ran them for 18 years! They did so many things right, and I always enjoyed the fact you could always tell and hear every component change. So I then tried a silly amount of speakers, including a journey into open baffles ,but to cut a long story short, I was surprised that after my trials, I enjoyed the D7's the most, and so I've kept them. I like the fact, that they are pretty musical, great soundstage and has a treble that was still bright, but slightly rolled, but not enough to annoy you, making bad recordings listenable. Add to the fact, they where the cheapest set I purchased, around £140 ish on Amazon, I had a paid a lot more for Gallo's and Li Crystals 10 in the past, but there was always trate in the sound that would annoy me,which lead me to selling and moving on. The MA Studio is a bit of a strange release, it was never part of a range, and I believe the last design by "Dean Hartley". I stumbled across the HI FI Choice review, and they reminded me in the description of the Studio 20 SEC I used to own. They didn't run production for long,and I actually wonder if this speaker confused the market,is it a Studio Monitor or a HI-FI product, the truth is, the technlogy has come from part of the Platium PL500 range.
Generally the MA Studio has recieved some great praise, and the only negative review I found was on "What HI-FI" and universally, all the reviews said the bottom Low frequencys lack bottom end wallop. Of course, this isn't a issue for my set up, as I planned to run them with my subs. Thats the theory.... I leave you tonight with a quick photo, of the D7 and the slightly taller MA Studio. Comment to follow.
20221117_195522 by Damien Read, on Flickr
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Post by stellabagpuss on Nov 20, 2022 18:14:29 GMT
So....I've finally sorted the XO frequencies of my Sub Speakers. l ended up about 70hz. Interesting the Studios behave a lot better on the lower mids,and down until they start to roll of,even though their are a twin ported rear Speakers, they don't seem to peaky,compared to the D7. A good example, my notch filter would be set to -8db at 63hz, with the Studios it's-3.5db. Before l move on to the sound, l actually had to turn up my Behringer inuke DSP 1000 that powers my subs,as the Studios seems too be more sensitive than the D7.
The biggest thing for myself when you plug in some Speakers,is trying to relax. Initially, you play your go to tracks,and you note pro's and cons.
But time has also told me that listen to a random selection songs can be beneficial, as you don't hear them that often, so you can enjoy, and take your Hi Fi head off.
One of hardest things to adjust too with the MA is simply the clarity. Everything is so clear and clean, the midrange and hf work so well together, with instruments having better separation in the mix, that smudging you can get,when another frequency robs another of its tiny details is greatly reduced.On less demanding material, Vocals and instruments so clear and airy,delay, what pedal a guitarists is using, its all on display.
So what about the Ribbon Tweeter, l've had a couple Ribbons over the years, l actually used some DIY Gennexxa Linaeum folded ribbon tweeter with 8" Bandors years ago, they really sounded good,then l lived with some Gallos which where functional,but l couldn't get on with them,they used to grate a bit.
That leads me to the MA,the Ribbon Tweeter is really something special indeed,it's clear, fast,non grating and it the produces textures only hinted at by many other tweeters,l understand MA did in house modifications to the Ribbons,whatever ever they did,it works.
A great trate of Studio is it's speed, and due to the Ribbon,it can stop on a Penny or Dime for the Americans. The lower end is fine and level and even to about 70 to 80hz.Again,on it's own you don't get the BOOM, it's hinted at, and your rewarded with a faster low end reproduction.
Enter my Subs, or even your own 🤣 and the wallop is back, although you need to take time with levels and XO not to spoil and only compliment the sound of the Studios.
So what about negatives, on there own, they may be to bass shy for some. And a word of warning, these speakers really take no prisoners,if you feed them a over bright source,they will reproduced it warts and all, so perhaps not a speaker to be starting out with, if your front end components and amp isn't up to the task.
On the positive side, problem recordings that in past, like Queensryche Speak from Operation Mindcrime can really grate, not so the MA, still presented with a get track and a awful thin grey mix. On good recordings like Chris Jones Thank You your presented with fantastic intimate performance. They also rock out really well, guitars crunch, Metal Church's Start The Fire really kicks ass, while giving additional detail.
Well, all l can say, result... l only paid £245 for the Studios,although mine do have some cabinet dinks,l have seen them sell from £350 to £400 on ebay. They really are a great speaker for the outlay, and provided your other components are decent, then l would say they are poor man's PL500 MK2.
Looks like these are keepers, anyone want to buy some D7's 🤣
Damien
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Post by John on Nov 20, 2022 19:17:33 GMT
Well done As you know before the Evos I was using MA and loved the mids on them. You managed to get the D7s working in your room I could not, but it sounds like time to move them on. It sounds like a sub is essential with them, but in some ways, I like that as usually means you have more texture and low mid punch which sometimes is lost if a smaller speaker goes low.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Nov 20, 2022 20:20:07 GMT
Your bang on John in regards to texture. The Studios do need careful balancing with sub,so just a case of under pinning the sub to supliment the lower frequencies,it took quite a bit of time to get just right.
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 20, 2022 22:15:42 GMT
I'm not quite with you, are you saying that Mindcrime actually sounds any good now D??
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Post by stellabagpuss on Nov 20, 2022 22:21:55 GMT
Crap production, great album. A honest portrait of the album, if a album needed a remix, this is one of them
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 20, 2022 22:28:24 GMT
I have the 2003 remaster and it still sounds pants ... It's an absolute scandal that this album doesn't have the sonic fireworks it surely deserves. Sounds like it was mastered at the Fisher Price Studios, it's so frustrating...
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Post by stellabagpuss on Nov 20, 2022 22:56:20 GMT
The Hi res version is off the ,2003 master,as well,so don't bother with it. IMO the original 1988 CD is the most bearable. The band got it right on Empire soundwise, but for myself OM is a superb album,sadly let down my it's master. You have to remix from scratch
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Post by John on Nov 21, 2022 6:22:00 GMT
I agree the original is the most bearable. A great album let down by crap production
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 21, 2022 8:29:19 GMT
Hmm ... I wonder if John ever saw them play live?
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Post by John on Nov 21, 2022 8:48:59 GMT
Hahahhahaha Seen them do Operation Mindcrime with some female vocalist playing Mary
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 21, 2022 9:05:41 GMT
I'm actually pretty jealous - that classic lineup will most likely never play together again.
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Post by John on Nov 21, 2022 9:18:03 GMT
Saw them 4 times with the classic line up
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Post by julesd68 on Nov 21, 2022 9:27:25 GMT
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Post by stellabagpuss on Nov 21, 2022 10:04:45 GMT
3 or 4 times with classic line up here.
And John and l attended the same gig back in Hammersmith, although we only found out though chatting.
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