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Post by orange55 on Feb 15, 2023 19:31:32 GMT
I guess the regenerators are rather large, for the componentry required. The PS Audio P3 I use for my source components is no larger than a big integrated amp. It also has arguably the biggest impact on sound. I would sacrifice my much larger P10 (driving the power amp) before I let the P3 go. I am after your advice on power. I currently have a isotek sigmas conditioner for all my kit. Based on reading here and elsewhere I am looking at a regenerator, P3 that you have for example. Firstly in your opinion do you think this will be an upgrade? Second, what did you use before the P3 and how big a change did you hear? Thanks in advance. |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 15, 2023 20:35:43 GMT
I don't like 'conditioners' as they only try to filter the mains waveform, not rebuild it. So from my perspective, a regenerator is far better. All the latest PS Audio models repair the waveform on the fly, making them more efficient and generating much less heat than older models.
The P3 is excellent for all my source components but I don't think it would have the puff to include a power amp. So, you could do one of the following:
1) run your source components from the P3 and the power amp from the Isotek
2) run your source components from the P3 and the power amp from the mains
3) go for something with more grunt like a P5
What I did before the P3 was run everything from my P10, which I've had for much longer. However, the P3 has better noise performance for source components which is why I split them with the P10 running the power amp. 1.5kW gives it all the grunt it needs.
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Post by orange55 on Feb 15, 2023 20:46:18 GMT
That is brilliant insight. Thank you.
P3 for sources and Sigmas for all amps, as I have four of them, seems the right way to go.
I see that P3’s are pretty cheap on eBay and there are quite a few. Do they have a kilted lifespan?
On the heat point, does the P3 get warm / hot in the summer? I ask as I need to rack mount it.
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Post by palace on Feb 15, 2023 20:46:30 GMT
Has anyone tried my solution of clip on ferrites to all digital and power leads admittedly I suffer serious RFI/EMI though it works on SPSU's as well.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 15, 2023 20:51:12 GMT
I see that P3’s are pretty cheap on eBay and there are quite a few. Do they have a kilted lifespan? Be careful to get a UK spec one or it will be the wrong voltage and/or have the wrong sockets on the back. I don't know about lifespan, mine has been perfect. In the summer, it gets a little warm but no more than that. Speak to David Brook at MCRU nicely and he might let you try one to play with. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 15, 2023 21:04:56 GMT
Has anyone tried my solution of clip on ferrites to all digital and power leads admittedly I suffer serious RFI/EMI though it works on SPSU's as well. I have them on everything bar the system itself Connected on anything with SMPS or likely to be noisy |
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Post by palace on Feb 15, 2023 21:22:34 GMT
Has anyone tried my solution of clip on ferrites to all digital and power leads admittedly I suffer serious RFI/EMI though it works on SPSU's as well. I have them on everything bar the system itself Connected on anything with SMPS or likely to be noisy When you say everything bar the system do you use them on Power amp leads etc, I have coax leads on my CDP & Blu-ray player also HDMI leads from the Virgin box to the TV likewise Blu-ray player to TV 120 ferrites of different sizes so far awaiting 20 more off the Bay. There was a recent significant improvement to the Virgin box recordings & WiFi picture on my PC after festooning the cables of the router with ferrites. It is counter productive to use on phono leads & speaker leads causing muffling or sat on quality. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 16, 2023 10:32:59 GMT
I have them on everything bar the system itself Connected on anything with SMPS or likely to be noisy When you say everything bar the system do you use them on Power amp leads etc, I have coax leads on my CDP & Blu-ray player also HDMI leads from the Virgin box to the TV likewise Blu-ray player to TV 120 ferrites of different sizes so far awaiting 20 more off the Bay. There was a recent significant improvement to the Virgin box recordings & WiFi picture on my PC after festooning the cables of the router with ferrites. It is counter productive to use on phono leads & speaker leads causing muffling or sat on quality. Nothing at all on the music system including mains, I/Cs, speaker leads, grounding cables I have chokes on the Freeview box, Tivos, TV, Laptop PSU / chargers, washing machine, fridge and others I may have forgotten Any 4 or 6 way adaptor has them as well |
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Post by palace on Feb 16, 2023 10:52:16 GMT
Humer me try some ferrites as I have suggested, if they work well and good, if not very little outlay. I use the cheapest available on Ebay £8 for 20 mixed sizes though you might need all of one size.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 16, 2023 11:41:45 GMT
I use them on SMPS around the house, but not on the hi-fi system.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 16, 2023 16:53:51 GMT
Humer me try some ferrites as I have suggested, if they work well and good, if not very little outlay. I use the cheapest available on Ebay £8 for 20 mixed sizes though you might need all of one size. Need very big chokes for most if not all of my system Will look around to see what I can do |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 16, 2023 19:09:59 GMT
Tony says his Coherent power cables don't need them as they do plenty of RFI/EMI rejection already. Having mistakenly tried giant chokes at one time, I believe him.
Better used to cut noise from other sources around the house.
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Post by palace on Feb 16, 2023 19:49:09 GMT
Tony says his Coherent power cables don't need them as they do plenty of RFI/EMI rejection already. Having mistakenly tried giant chokes at one time, I believe him. Better used to cut noise from other sources around the house. So have my digital coax & HDMI cables where ferrites in my intense RFI/EMI situation work well. |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 16, 2023 19:52:20 GMT
In your situation they may well do. But at the frequencies S/PDIF and HDMI work, the ferrites are going to start rounding the perfect squarewaves somewhat.
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Post by assisi on Apr 4, 2023 13:13:33 GMT
I have a whole of house regenerator that sets the house power to 230volts regardless of the external supply. Much of the house power though comes from solar and a battery. Then the Audio system is on a separate circuit using a GigaWatt cable and circuit breaker. The system conditioner is a GigaWatt PC-4 EVO+. Very impressive for me. It includes DC blocking.
I have had the house regenerator for two years. Never had to replace a LED light. Previously every two months.
Mention has been made of Puritan. I use their Ground Master connected to a 3mt long by 19mm solid copper rod in the ground. It works. The Ground Master is connected to Routemaster that enables me to connect a ground to 9 devices.
John
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Post by brettj on Apr 7, 2023 8:00:50 GMT
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