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Post by MartinT on Oct 30, 2022 17:58:20 GMT
This is worth a try. Download the ZIPped mp3 file and play in your streamer of choice. WATCH THE VOLUME! The recommendation is to play it on repeat but I suggest doing so with the volume set very low or the power amp off. taralabs.com/media/cascade-free-burn-in-disc/EDIT: link above now amended. |
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Post by Slinger on Oct 31, 2022 14:34:11 GMT
So, this noise. does it burn things in faster, or better? What are its declared factors of speedyfulness, or betternesss? Where's the irrefutable scientific explanation? Why isn't a continuous loop of Thrash Metal just as good? Would Speed Metal be faster than Thrash Metal? Didn't Peter Belt already sort this out with a bit of tinfoil? Sorry, this thread has just been sitting here, and I do have limits where my self-control is concerned.  |
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Post by MartinT on Oct 31, 2022 15:08:20 GMT
"The phenomenon commonly referred to as “burn-in” is confusing to some people. We prefer to think of the phenomenon as the conditioning of the system with continued use. The phenomenon of burn-in is actually a polarization of effects on a microscopic level. This microscopic world might be as little as a few thousandths of an inch along the length of the conductors within a cable; the thickness of one to three sheets of paper. At this level one can visualize the subtle electromagnetic waves around a conductive wire. These waves are moving through the dielectric (primary insulation) around the conductor. There is a problem at this microscopic level; not all frequencies carried by the electromagnetic waves will pass at the same attitude at every point of the conductive wire. For example, at some point along the conductor, there might be a tiny point of oxidation, and this will limit the range of high frequencies that can pass easily between the same amplitude, perhaps turning AC into DC and creating random audible noise in the cable. At other points, imagine air-gaps between the conductor and the insulation near the conductor surface. These tiny differences cause changes with respect to the different frequencies that are “stored and released” from conductor to dielectric and back again.
The new CASCADE noise burn-in disc is designed to completely condition the capacitive and diode-like effects within audio components and audio cables. The result is a more coherent and extended high frequency reproduction without the glare, along with a sense of listening experience. This will be noticed after just a few hours of using the CASCADE noise burn-in disc. Continued use of the disc, just a few hours at a time, or when you are able to run your audio system at normal listening levels for many hours at a time, will be extremely beneficial in improving the performance of all audio cables and components."
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Post by MartinT on Oct 31, 2022 15:09:20 GMT
My theory is that if the burn-in signal starts to sound better, it's doing its job  |
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 31, 2022 15:34:08 GMT
Let us know Martin
I believe it could work but it seems well out there - like so much we now take for granted
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Post by Mr Whippy on Nov 2, 2022 22:37:36 GMT
Hold onto your wig - Missus. Or, in the words of one David Coleman: Remarkable! Quite remarkable!
I downloaded the file to my mobile, and that was that. Didn't really think much could possibly change with it. Monday night I played it with earphones connected. Tin Hi-Fi T2s, I think. Left it at a moderate level and went to bed. Had a listen last night, and again, still not expecting much. But what an eye/ear opener of an experience.
Put A Flock Of Seagulls' I Ran on. Sounded very... "Spacey"! Hadn't played it for a while so I thought I'd better try something I'd played more recent and knew particularly well. Tried Peter Frampton's Show Me The Way. Sounded so much more live, initially with the audience noise, but then the vocoder started, and that too sounded more... live! And then his vocals started, and again, he just sounded more real; more live. Interesting listening to his voice. It seem to have greater torque, alacrity and... dynamic impact. Next up, was the beat, which sounded so much more obvious, partly down to the leading edges of the drumming being so clear. The percussion sounded really metallic. Then the middle section with the vocoder. It really raced along and was an exciting listen helped with the audience noise. You could also clearly here some vocals never really noticed before. And then the audience noise at the end with the whistles and so on.. Again, sounded so much more real than I've ever heard before. I've just been listening to it again writing this. Great live track.
Shelly Poole's Hard Time For The Dreamer had a brush being heard on drums. Previously, it was a bit like a brush. Now though, quite obvious. Same thing with the beat and vocals as heard with PR's track. It also sounded HUGE.
Some tracks sounded wide open and with the dynamic freedom, took on a new presentation. Steam's Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye. Heard this loads over the years and it sounded pretty basic; not much going on, on the face of it. Now though, I could here the claps as claps for the first time. Sound was solid with clear vocals. The sticky sticky thuddy thuddy middle section sounded more... sticky sticky thuddy thuddy! So much more going on than ever before.
John Barry's Theme From Midnight Cowboy again I've heard countless times, and yet sounded different. The harmonica sounded like it had more edge sounding more real again. The dynamic independence of the various strand of sounds allowed you hear stuff going on not noticed before. Listening to it now and it's laughable how different it now sounds!
And so it went on. Not all good news, however. I was listening to mp3s/4s. At times, some could sound rather exposed. I did notice some distortion on a couple that was hidden previously. On decent-sounding files, however, the result has been quite astonishing! If you listen to music on a mobile, it's well worth a try. Or at least it has been in my case.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 3, 2022 7:51:20 GMT
After last night's results with some 60 hours of burn-in so far, I am very impressed with the Tara Labs burn-in signal that does a lot more than any previous signal I've tried (I have the Densen DeMagic CD among other files).
My system has come alive with a vibrancy and kick on live music recordings that I've never before heard. There is better focus while the music has more body and life and the bass end has greater potency. Scale is the word that keeps coming to mind.
What I have done is download the signal into my music control tablet and open it with the Folders function in BubbleUPnP. This allows the tablet to dish the file directly to my streamer without using the internet connection. The signal lasts 1.5h and I set the continuous repeat to on. I set the volume to normal listening level (warning: it sounds horrible) and turn the power amp off. This means the entire system with the exception of the power amp output circuits and the speakers are being conditioned. I leave it running overnight and the next day until I'm home from work. I may try running it with the amp on over the weekend, to give it and the speakers some of the magic juice.
If you have a CD player, just burn the mp3 file to a CD-R as most modern players will play it.
What's not to like? It didn't cost me anything and has made a significant improvement to my system's presentation.
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Post by orange55 on Nov 3, 2022 17:48:29 GMT
Ok so have run the MP3 for about 6 hours today and I wasn’t expecting much. But the bass increase is puzzling. I had to check I didn’t have it louder than normal, as it seems noticeably more pronounced. There are other detailed improvements also.
Going to run overnight and see what crops up tomorrow, so far so good.
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Post by orange55 on Nov 3, 2022 17:54:50 GMT
Ok found the bass problem. I had it in all channel mode, to get the burin in effect across all channels, with only the front amp switched on, which pumps up the subwoofers. Sound back to normal now. For a minute I thought I was having the same experience that MartinT had with his AOC fibre cable. |
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Post by Mr Whippy on Nov 3, 2022 19:43:07 GMT
What I found fascinating was the range of improvements, from small scale dynamics to centre drum imagery taking on a rear perspective with vocal images projected forward to decompression of the soundstage as a whole. Last night I was whizzing from track to track just to hear what I was going to be greeted by. Don't have a home system going at the moment. Looking to rebuild a Chinese power amp as Mono's with mercury rectifiers. Need new power transformers.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Nov 3, 2022 23:14:33 GMT
A couple of videos that now sound HUMONGOUS!:
And a STONKER! for Roy & Bruce's vocals, James Burton's guitar, Ron Tutt's drum work and last, but not least, the audience excitement:
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Post by brettj on Nov 4, 2022 7:58:11 GMT
Have the track running on my system at the moment.
To be evaluated
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Post by John on Nov 5, 2022 10:00:30 GMT
So far I am only hearing subtle differences
I had it playing all night with my power amplifiers off.
Will try a few more times
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Post by MartinT on Nov 5, 2022 10:57:40 GMT
I've put about 100 hours on mine and the changes have stopped now. It needed half that time at least for bigger changes to emerge.
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Post by orange55 on Nov 12, 2022 16:32:04 GMT
I have to say I am struggling to get my head or ears around what I am hearing.
I have done over 100hrs, the last 40 or so were with all the amps on and playing through the speakers. I have assumed it has stopped changing now.
My first concern was that the changes I was hearing were due to the kit being run for days and nicely warmed up. But the last week I have gone back to normal use, meaning, often on from standby and listening straight away. And the changes are still present. I have been checking I had not accidentally changed anything and forgotten recently. But no.
So for me the biggest change seems to be a cleaning up of the sound stage. (Best way to describe it) Metal strings seem to have improved leading edges, although you need to be very familiar to spot that, alongside triangles and cymbals.
But the sound stage clean up is quite noticeable and from just playing some tones. Who can complain?
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Post by MartinT on Nov 12, 2022 18:39:12 GMT
Remarkable, isn't it? I have been enjoying evenings of music and the enhanced sound has remained.
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 27, 2022 19:32:31 GMT
For the technically challenged
Downloaded the file. Can play it
How do I put it on repeat ?
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Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2022 19:40:21 GMT
Depends on the player. I just press the 'Repeat' button. How are you playing it?
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 27, 2022 20:21:04 GMT
Clicked around a bit and now have a different screen for playing with "Repeat" !
Music player in W10 is my guess
Will playing via Bluetooth work ok ?
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Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2022 21:08:59 GMT
You can always download VLC, an excellent general-purpose player. It has a repeat button called 'Loop'. www.videolan.org/vlc/Yes, playing via Bluetooth should have plenty of resolution for the Tara Labs track. |
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