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Post by mikeyb on Jul 1, 2022 13:44:58 GMT
Fuel prices rising almost daily, the Govt wanting rid of petrol diesel cars, coincidence? All part of the master plan  |
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 1, 2022 15:46:48 GMT
Fuel prices rising almost daily, the Govt wanting rid of petrol diesel cars, coincidence? All part of the master plan  I think that would have come anyway, the awful situation in Ukraine and the resulting impact on World Trade generally has just accelerated it I think. Even if things improve generally I bet ICE fuel will go back to where it was at the start. |
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Post by petea on Jul 1, 2022 16:21:09 GMT
Fuel prices rising almost daily, the Govt wanting rid of petrol diesel cars, coincidence? All part of the master plan The UK government has a master plan? Pull the other one! |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 1, 2022 17:14:58 GMT
The UK government has a master plan? Pull the other one! I thought it was clear: take care of all their friends. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 1, 2022 19:03:17 GMT
Fuel prices rising almost daily, the Govt wanting rid of petrol diesel cars, coincidence? All part of the master plan The UK government has a master plan? Pull the other one! Master bators maybe |
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 4, 2022 13:45:29 GMT
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Post by nicholas on Jul 4, 2022 16:49:02 GMT
Until there are enough unicorn farts to power the electrical power grid I'm afraid that e-cars will remain impractical for most of us.
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 6, 2022 10:00:58 GMT
Until there are enough unicorn farts to power the electrical power grid I'm afraid that e-cars will remain impractical for most of us. On what basis do you make that sweeping statement? Powering the grid and EVs being impractical for most, as you see it, for some are two separate issues (non-issues)? |
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Post by speedysteve on Jul 6, 2022 11:24:09 GMT
Until there are enough unicorn farts to power the electrical power grid I'm afraid that e-cars will remain impractical for most of us. And there speaks the voice of stagnation. Do things the same as they've always been done.. Or, Invent to innovate, innovate to drive change, change when something's not working or can improve our lot. At least die trying🙂 |
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 6, 2022 11:32:35 GMT
Until there are enough unicorn farts to power the electrical power grid I'm afraid that e-cars will remain impractical for most of us. And there speaks the voice of stagnation. Do things the same as they've always been done.. Or, Invent to innovate, innovate to drive change, change when something's not working or can improve our lot. At least die trying🙂 Very well put!  |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 6, 2022 11:44:07 GMT
The reality is, in order to absorb the additional load on the power grid from EVs, we need nuclear energy. We currently have 11 power stations in operation in the UK, generating 16% of our energy. I don't know the situation in the US. We don't want any more oil fired power stations and hydro and wind farms cannot create the expansion required.
Apparently, EDF plan six new nuclear plants to be built in the next few decades. So the question is: where is this power going to come from? Russia?
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 6, 2022 13:28:53 GMT
The reality is, in order to absorb the additional load on the power grid from EVs, we need nuclear energy. We currently have 11 power stations in operation in the UK, generating 16% of our energy. I don't know the situation in the US. We don't want any more oil fired power stations and hydro and wind farms cannot create the expansion required. Apparently, EDF plan six new nuclear plants to be built in the next few decades. So the question is: where is this power going to come from? Russia? Where do you get that from? Or is that a Nuclear rabbit out of the hat. Currently 56% of our energy can be generated from wind power on a daily basis, yes that is without any Solar on top! There is a massive roll out in the North sea of some super huge new 13-megawatt wind turbines which are 850 feet tall at the tip of the blades, for details see this e360.yale.edu/digest/the-worlds-largest-wind-turbines-to-be-used-for-north-sea-project and more are planned. And before we get into the "but the wind does not blow all the time argument", there are being built vast Terra-watt-hour battery storage facilities so the power from these and Solar can be store and release when needed. www.expressandstar.com/news/science-and-technology/2018/06/13/huge-wind-farm-opens-off-north-sea-coast/As said before in this thread the National grid have been looking into EV charging and other growth requirements that need to be met by the grid for the last 10 years and they have very accurate data on what the grid needs to do to meet any future growth. The National Grid has stated on several platforms that supporting EVs is not an issue, now or will be in the near future, and they have taken into account that it takes least 10-15 years to build a Nuclear PS. In fact some experts in the electricity generation field have said that if Wind and Solar is properly supported for the grid, then our current and any future predicted needs can easily be met, with low levels of nuclear. |
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 6, 2022 13:32:06 GMT
A nice new and quite sizeable EV charging site, watch from 4:30 to 6:30, the rest of the podcast is quite interesting as well. Looking at this it looks like the EV charging network is likely to expand quite quickly  |
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Post by nicholas on Jul 6, 2022 13:50:43 GMT
Until there are enough unicorn farts to power the electrical power grid I'm afraid that e-cars will remain impractical for most of us. On what basis do you make that sweeping statement? Powering the grid and EVs being impractical for most, as you see it, for some are two separate issues (non-issues)? All I'm trying to say is that for the incredible transformation we all want to happen, we must first have something to transform to in place. If coal, natural gas and other forms of traditional energy production are hampered by regulation and shut down, where will the electricity come from to power the shiny Model S sitting in your driveway. Also, have you seen your electric bill lately. Finally, has anyone documented the environmental improvements that have resulted from our new green energy policies so far? |
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 6, 2022 14:47:43 GMT
On what basis do you make that sweeping statement? Powering the grid and EVs being impractical for most, as you see it, for some are two separate issues (non-issues)? All I'm trying to say is that for the incredible transformation we all want to happen, we must first have something to transform to in place. If coal, natural gas and other forms of traditional energy production are hampered by regulation and shut down, where will the electricity come from to power the shiny Model S sitting in your driveway. Also, have you seen your electric bill lately. Finally, has anyone documented the environmental improvements that have resulted from our new green energy policies so far? Power will come from a mix of Green alternatives, Wind and Solar we know about, and in the UK(Wales) one Hydro plant, also some Nuclear, tidal electical generation may come on stream depending on technical development and viability. As for my own electricity bill, it is currently £56/month as set by ShellEnergy based on our usage to date since Sep 2021, so our forecast annual bill at present is around £800 of which £200 is standing charge. How you may ask, simples Solar panels on the roof, inverter, batteries and EV charge in the garage. Not everyone will be able to do this but with it has been proven in the electrical industry that electricity from Wind and Solar is cheaper to produce than from Fossil fuels or Nuclear, so in the long term electricity should become cheaper. Our EV is running at present at a cost of just under £0.03/mile or if we equate the to a 40mpg ICE vehicle £1.20 for 40 miles. 53% of the miles done has been completely free (our own Solar power charging it) and the rest charged for at superchargers between £0.32 to £0.48.Kwh which equated to £0.08 to £0.12 per mile. So even at full price tie equates to £4.80 for 40 miles, somewhat less that a gallon of fossil fuel. There are a host of UK government and Industry papers, and many Worldwide repected organisations papers that clearly define the reasons that we and the rest of the world needs to "Stop Burning Stuff". There are also large Fossil fuel based countries, companies and industries that actively rubbish anything to do with green policies and the replacement of fossil fuels with energy alternatives. This is because it is not in their short or long term interests to admit that fossil fuels damage the planet and are a key contributor to global warming, and ultimately will result in our planets demise for us and all other residents, These industries resistance is very much like that of the Tobacco Industries denial for decades that smoking tobacco was a main cause of lung cancer, many deaths in the world and a huge financial medical burden on countries, and they conducted persistant lobbying to support the industries continuance, nothing to do with what's right but all about money. |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 6, 2022 14:55:55 GMT
Where do you get that from? Or is that a Nuclear rabbit out of the hat. Currently 56% of our energy can be generated from wind power on a daily basis, yes that is without any Solar on top! There is a massive roll out in the North sea of some super huge new 13-megawatt wind turbines which are 850 feet tall at the tip of the blades, for details see this e360.yale.edu/digest/the-worlds-largest-wind-turbines-to-be-used-for-north-sea-project and more are planned. And before we get into the "but the wind does not blow all the time argument", there are being built vast Terra-watt-hour battery storage facilities so the power from these and Solar can be store and release when needed. All gleaned from various sources on the internet, ranging from Wikipedia (believable) to EDF (highly exaggerated). If we really are able to generate 56% of our energy via wind turbine right now, I would be delighted. I know hydro doesn't have a lot of scope for expansion, but I haven't seen any wind farm numbers as high as that. As well as battery storage, there is Dinorwig, a huge water-based energy store. I'm playing devil's advocate: I'll be delighted if there are no power generation bottlenecks in the future. |
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 6, 2022 15:59:55 GMT
Where do you get that from? Or is that a Nuclear rabbit out of the hat. Currently 56% of our energy can be generated from wind power on a daily basis, yes that is without any Solar on top! There is a massive roll out in the North sea of some super huge new 13-megawatt wind turbines which are 850 feet tall at the tip of the blades, for details see this e360.yale.edu/digest/the-worlds-largest-wind-turbines-to-be-used-for-north-sea-project and more are planned. And before we get into the "but the wind does not blow all the time argument", there are being built vast Terra-watt-hour battery storage facilities so the power from these and Solar can be store and release when needed. All gleaned from various sources on the internet, ranging from Wikipedia (believable) to EDF (highly exaggerated). If we really are able to generate 56% of our energy via wind turbine right now, I would be delighted. I know hydro doesn't have a lot of scope for expansion, but I haven't seen any wind farm numbers as high as that. As well as battery storage, there is Dinorwig, a huge water-based energy store. I'm playing devil's advocate: I'll be delighted if there are no power generation bottlenecks in the future. 56% wind was reported by Fullycharged, which you would presume was at peak production during a day, or it was a mistake it may be the total renewable energy 38% wind, 13% Solar and 4% Biomass(not very green and they are looking to phase it out) If you go to www.energydashboard.co.uk/live you will see the current energy generation split. When I looked 12% Solar, 13% Nuclear, 26% Gas, 1% Coal, 26% Gas, Hydro 1%, Imports 4%, Biomass 4%, and 38% Wind another site is gridwatch.co.uk/demand/percentUseful info www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/britains-clean-energy-system-achieves-historic-milestone-2019 |
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Post by mikeyb on Jul 6, 2022 16:40:08 GMT
My wife is wanting a new car and wants an EV, we're tempted as she has access to Salary Sacrifice leasing, my only worry is the terrible reviews the lease company gets for returning the vehicle, they basically want it back in better than new condition after 3 or 4 years and up to 60,000 miles.
Rated 1.9/5 on Google with multiple complaints about the nit picking and handling of returns.
How the hell do they expect a mint condition car after 4 years of use?
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 6, 2022 16:46:02 GMT
My wife is wanting a new car and wants an EV, we're tempted as she has access to Salary Sacrifice leasing, my only worry is the terrible reviews the lease company gets for returning the vehicle, they basically want it back in better than new condition after 3 or 4 years and up to 60,000 miles. Rated 1.9/5 on Google with multiple complaints about the nit picking and handling of returns. How the hell do they expect a mint condition car after 4 years of use? From what my sister-in-law tells me its pretty common practice, she has been leasing for at around 15 years, best to get the stone chips done and any wheel damage sorted before and a professional valet. |
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Post by speedysteve on Jul 6, 2022 16:52:46 GMT
We could all stay home a bit more with thick Woolies on in the winter and stop travelling about like there is no tomorrow..
A lot of energy intensive things could be cancelled - a different sort of cancel culture 🙂
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