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Post by John on May 6, 2022 18:47:11 GMT
I have a small listening room, and using open baffles, I felt l could get away without treating. In the back of my mind, I always thought that my room would benefit from treatments
. I started treating my room when I had the MA. I hoped I could get the bass to boom less and have more texture as I was used to this from open baffles.
I also want to maximise the Evo A3 and feel this is something I can do on a minimal budget. I can always get better diffissuers and traps later on
More to follow
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Post by nicholas on May 7, 2022 0:06:34 GMT
FWIW, I've had great experience with GIK Acoustics. Several years back I had them build bass traps for the corners and panels for the walls of my media room.
They cheerfully customized the color so that the sound treatments would match the color of the walls and not present a distraction (for my wife, ;^O ).
Curious to see how you proceed with selection and placement.
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Post by jandl100 on May 7, 2022 3:51:56 GMT
I've got a few GIK 242 panels.
Their main utility for me is a set of 4 of them making a 4 foot square large panel immediately behind my listening chair. Because of the shape of the room, the chair is very close to the back wall. The panels help a lot with deadening the space and reflections behind me.
I also tried some panels on the wall behind the speakers. This is an often recommended placement. But that had a bad effect. This was probably due to the omnidirectional nature of my speakers. It quite drastically reduced the 3D nature of the imaging.
You've just got to try these things to see how they work out with your kit in your room and your preferences.
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Post by John on May 7, 2022 5:36:18 GMT
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Post by MartinT on May 7, 2022 6:16:01 GMT
My empty music room had a lot of flutter echo (zzzzzing) when I snapped my fingers in the middle of it. I like a particularly dead room, letting the speakers do the talking, not the room. It's a converted double garage, the ideal dimensions, and I fire across the short side.
There are four TubeTraps, one in each corner, tuned for maximum absorption. A SubTrap sits at the rear-left of the room. Three PicturePanels and one GIK panel adorn the walls, plus two silk rugs. There is a large rug on the tiled floor. Three settees help to absorb the remaining energy. Snapping my fingers now creates dramatically reduced flutter echo, although it's still just perceptible.
My big speakers image well with tremendous soundstage focus and the bass, with them standing on Townshend Podiums, is powerful but not boomy.
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Post by nicholas on May 7, 2022 12:54:50 GMT
As it turns out GIK Acoustics HQ is a short 12 minute ride from my house in Atlanta. I had the opportunity to meet and sit down with Glen Kuras, the proprietor, who helped me work on the design specification.
Glen suggested that I clap my hands at various point in my untreated room and listen for resonance. Frankly, when I did this the room didn't seem so bad. Once the traps and panels were in place I was surprised by what the absence of resonance sounded like... the clap was distinct and short. Clearly an improvement with the treatments.
As with Martin, I perceived a major benefit to soundstage and image.
Being local I was able to avoid shipping costs but had to pay the local sales tax instead. All in all, a great experience with a great result.
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Post by John on May 8, 2022 13:56:33 GMT
I found getting the first reflections hardest to get right (Egg tray on the side walls). The mirror trick was a backward step in my room, and it took many attempts to find a place that worked—a bit more separation in the mix, which is already good.
Adding more trays was a backward step
Not a significant upgrade compared to the bass traps in my room.
A case of less is more and careful placement
At some stage, I might get panels. However, I am happy with what I achieved for about £27
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Post by petea on May 8, 2022 18:16:11 GMT
£27 on eggs! That's one hell of an omelette!  |
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Post by John on May 8, 2022 19:16:45 GMT
plus bass traps and sticky stuff
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Post by speedysteve on Dec 30, 2023 16:32:11 GMT
Can you see what I've been messing with?🙂 Like John, I always had something in the back of my mind.  It's an interesting shaped room, giving complex reflections, but it is pretty dead. Bass traps are not needed as I EQ the 30Hz room mode very successfully. Have to be careful not to over damp the far wall, as the system loses a bit of depth I found. I tried a wall of material and it lost that.. As I'm damping 500Hz and above, I've found the bass needs a dB or two less. Easily accomplished. The side wall damping adjacent to the horns and top surface damping is good, I think. Again less might be more though. I have a bit more further along the side walls you can't see. It's very much test my way forward. Just how I like it😂 |
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Post by speedysteve on Dec 30, 2023 17:44:01 GMT
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Post by John on Dec 30, 2023 17:46:06 GMT
Good result
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Post by MartinT on Dec 30, 2023 18:17:41 GMT
Not my sort of music but it is punchy and dynamic. |
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Post by speedysteve on Dec 30, 2023 18:37:35 GMT
I think with horns that are pretty direct already with the 1st wavefronts of a transient, unsmearing reflections a bit, leads to an even more direct sound.
I was getting too much of a direct / good thing. Toeing out the 800Hz up horns a small amount, smoothed that out.
Still less reflections hence the punch. It's def 500Hz plus stuff, that covers some of the mid horn freqs too.
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