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Post by MartinT on Nov 10, 2021 22:31:45 GMT
Martin, did you notice these Gustard fuses? Hah - no I didn't. Whatever it came with was replaced by an SR Red and now a Purple. Both were a step up in performance.
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Post by John on Nov 11, 2021 5:28:38 GMT
Jules I have a spare silver fuse you can have if you wish
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Post by MartinT on Nov 11, 2021 16:09:39 GMT
The Gustard X26 Pro is such a superb bit of kit, with no downside that I can hear, that I thought I would summarise my setup as it definitely responds to external influences: Input | AES S/PDIF, which I can definitely vouch for. Others say the XMOS USB input is also very servicable
| Input cable | Canare DA-206 AES cable, the best AES cable I've yet tried
| Output cable | Coherent 6D XLR balanced to single ended, direct to power amp
| Fuse | Rear panel Synergistic Research 20mm SR Purple
| Power cable | Coherent 6D with 1" SR Purple plug fuse
| Clock and Reclocking | I've tried an external clock and it was no better than the excellent internal K2 clock. The X26 Pro responds very well to externally reclocking the input data
| Supports | Black Ravioli Big Pads, a great combination of isolation and damping, on an Electric Beach S1NX shelf on a Black Ravioli Base
| Top weight | Black granite place mat
| Filter | Gentle (discrete implementation Minimum Phase filter)
| Grounding | Quartz Acoustic Premium grounding box
| Contact treatment | Mad Scientist Graphene
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Post by jhop on Jan 17, 2022 11:39:01 GMT
Hi, I am new to the Audio Standard, and appreciate being here! While I hope to offer feedback to others that might prove useful, at the moment I am here seeking advice. I have followed MartinT’s excellent thread on external clocks on Audiophile Style and am currently using an Etherregen with an external AfterDark clock to great effect with an Audiolab streamer. Not wanting to leave well enough alone, I want to bump up the sound quality and am intrigued with the Gustard X26 Pro, in part because of its ability to directly connect to an external clock. However, my impression is that the goodness of the clock is not necessarily realized only through a direct connection to the X26 Pro, but upstream as well. Which begs the question of whether my contemplated upgrade would be better realized with a quality R2R DAC. I ask this because I listen primarily (but not exclusively) to classical and jazz, and a sizable contingent of acoustic-oriented listeners seem to favor R2R DACs such as the Musician Pegasus, Schiit Gungnir, or Denafrips Pontus II. Sorry for the length of this missive, but any comments or advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 17, 2022 11:48:21 GMT
Welcome to TAS John "Not wanting to leave well enough alone" You'll get on well here I stuck my colours on the mast with a TAD D-1000, CD/DAC/Pre
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Post by MartinT on Jan 17, 2022 11:59:53 GMT
Hi John and welcome to TAS!
You know, of late I have been contacted about the X26 Pro more than any other device since the Beresford SEG. Lots of people are either considering one or have one already.
I agree that reclocking upstream of the DAC helps enormously and I have an EtherREGEN and Mutec MC-3 doing the duties. Using an external clock on the X26 Pro did not bring any benefits for me as the internal K-2 clock is clearly a very capable design.
As for X26 Pro versus R2R, I cannot comment as I've not heard one on my system. From people's description, I'm not sure I would prefer an R2R DAC for my musical preferences and presentation. To my ears, the X26 Pro does not lack the attributes required for classical or jazz, but it must be a highly personal thing, I'm sure.
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Post by John on Jan 17, 2022 12:08:57 GMT
Hi, I am new to the Audio Standard, and appreciate being here! While I hope to offer feedback to others that might prove useful, at the moment I am here seeking advice. I have followed MartinT’s excellent thread on external clocks on Audiophile Style and am currently using an Etherregen with an external AfterDark clock to great effect with an Audiolab streamer. Not wanting to leave well enough alone, I want to bump up the sound quality and am intrigued with the Gustard X26 Pro, in part because of its ability to directly connect to an external clock. However, my impression is that the goodness of the clock is not necessarily realized only through a direct connection to the X26 Pro, but upstream as well. Which begs the question of whether my contemplated upgrade would be better realized with a quality R2R DAC. I ask this because I listen primarily (but not exclusively) to classical and jazz, and a sizable contingent of acoustic-oriented listeners seem to favor R2R DACs such as the Musician Pegasus, Schiit Gungnir, or Denafrips Pontus II. Sorry for the length of this missive, but any comments or advice would be greatly appreciated! DACs are very personal I know Martin listens to a lot of classical and dabbles in Jazz recordings. A good R2r DAC might well be the way to go for you. I personally would suggest find a good dealer who would be willing to loan out and work with you through this as they have a different flavour even with the same structure they can vary in how they produce sound. Also add the the Soekris DACs to your list which might give you the best of both world. If you can really stretch your budget try Rockna Wavelight. It be the nearest DAC you could get to a good Wadia without crazy cash.
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Post by jhop on Jan 20, 2022 0:23:20 GMT
That is good advice John, and I will have to find a vendor that’s reasonable in this regard. A little challenging if it’s a Chinese vendor because of the shipping time factor, but there really is no substitute for trying it in your own system.
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Post by julesd68 on Jan 20, 2022 14:12:34 GMT
You could try a Denafrips Ares 2 to see how you like the R2R vibe - there's one available on other forums right now.
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Post by jhop on Jan 26, 2022 16:31:26 GMT
After extensive dithering, I’ve settled upon the Gustard X26 Pro. I reasoned thusly: Before my current Audiolab streamer I actually had an R2R DAC: the Schiit Modi Multibit. Although very early on in my streaming adventure, I thought it sounded quite good, especially considering its digital source: the modest but amazing Chromecast Audio. When I made the switch to the Sabre chipped Audiolab I noticed an immediate improvement in clarity, detail and timing. In no way am I claiming this is an inherent characteristic of the ‘Sabre sound’, but for whatever reason the Audiolab was more pleasing to me. (It was also quite a bit more expensive.) Put another way, since I’m on the Sabre road already, I might as well reach its logical conclusion with the Gustard. I’m buying through Amazon so I have 30 days to return it, and can always go with an R2R DAC. The key question now: what color? Sliver or black?
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Post by julesd68 on Jan 26, 2022 17:04:57 GMT
After years of retro silver gear I am now fully converted to black, but don't tell MikeMusic that ...
I am sure you will enjoy the Gustard but I wouldn't judge R2R too much by the Schiit if it was anything like the Modius I tried recently ...
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Post by MartinT on Jan 26, 2022 17:47:44 GMT
Put another way, since I’m on the Sabre road already, I might as well reach its logical conclusion with the Gustard. I’m buying through Amazon so I have 30 days to return it, and can always go with an R2R DAC. The key question now: what color? Sliver or black? That was my route, too. The LKS informed me that the ES9038 chipset was the way to go, and the X26 Pro almost sold itself on build quality and circuit topology alone. It has proved to be an excellent purchase and I don't think you'll regret it. It looks great in silver.
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Post by John on Jan 26, 2022 18:31:50 GMT
There is only one colour in audio gear, and that is Black
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 26, 2022 19:56:31 GMT
Blackity Black !
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Post by MartinT on Jan 26, 2022 19:58:50 GMT
Going back to my previous experience with running an external clock to the X26 Pro, I have proven myself wrong. Clearly my previous setup wasn't revealing any differences between my top external clock and the very good internal K-2 clock. Now that I've made some changes I can say that the X26 Pro reveals even more performance from a good external clock. You get more of all the good things: more potent bass, tighter timing, deeper and wider soundstage, filigree fine detail, slam etc.
My clock is an AfterDark Emperor Triple Crown, which is good value for money. If you want to achieve the nth degree from your X26 Pro - and only after you've taken care of power, supports and cables - go for it!
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 26, 2022 20:49:16 GMT
I remember being slightly puzzled about the clocks but then this is so far into magic territory
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Post by MartinT on Jan 26, 2022 20:54:30 GMT
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Post by jhop on Jan 26, 2022 22:26:09 GMT
Martin, I appreciate the feedback, particularly your discovery that the clock actually has significant impact connected directly to the X26. This seems to reflect the feedback I’ve received from AfterDark as well as Ctronics in Boston (North American AfterDark distributor). AfterDark felt it had greater impact compared to clocking the EtherRegen. Mike, this whole external clock thing may very well reside in the realm of fantasy (for all I know), but all I can say is the effect on my system via the EtherRegen was transformative. Upon reflection, perhaps greater than the EtherRegen itself. My theory: Certain systems such as mine may have more distortion that travels along the ethernet cable, along with all those jittery ones and zeros. It doesn’t mean a great DAC can’t clean it up, but maybe I don’t have a great DAC (so far).
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Post by wannarock2 on Jan 27, 2022 0:31:09 GMT
I have 30 days to return it .. Buy both the Gustard x26 Pro and the Gustard x18 on the 30 day return A/B them for a few days You may save yourself $750
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Post by jhop on Jan 27, 2022 3:38:12 GMT
Excellent idea. If I can swing the total cost I will.
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