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Post by jandl100 on Jun 22, 2021 15:36:26 GMT
No worries, I'm happy disagreeing with anyone!
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Post by nick193 on Jun 22, 2021 15:38:09 GMT
Out of interest, what does Taylor swift do for other musicians?
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 22, 2021 15:50:33 GMT
I would agree. Eilish is a massive hype job. Her bond theme missed the mark by a few thousand miles too. It's as if they studied all the recent Bond themes, structures, key signatures, chord progressions etc and then programmed them into their computer, pressed a button and out came a Bond theme 5 mins later. In fact I suspect that is quite close to the truth. It's soulless and aimlessly derivative. Her voice irritates me more than Adele's and I can assure you that is a lot. |
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Post by nick193 on Jun 22, 2021 15:57:54 GMT
I would tend to agree Jules.
She has received an unwarranted amount of attention as she is only 2 albums in with only one stand out track in my opinion so far.
I guess part of the issue with pop is a lot of it is based on image and stories of music. Time old "pulling yourself up from the bootstraps" and making a rags to riches story come true etc. Brother sister duo and so on. It ticks all the boxes in that respect.
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Post by Slinger on Jun 22, 2021 15:58:39 GMT
Matt Monro, Sir Macca, Burley Chassis, Sir Tom, them was PROPER Bond themes. Needless to say, Silly Eyelash won the Grammy Award for Best Song Written for Visual Media at the 63rd Annual Grammy Awards for her's and her brother's effort.
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 22, 2021 16:10:59 GMT
A Grammy??? That tells you all you need to know about the PR machine behind her. An absolute frickin' scandal ... in fact Duran Duran's effort is now sounding like a masterpiece in comparison. But let's remember this Chanel and Gucci wearing 'girl next door' is young, vulnerable and has a lot to say to this generation.  |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 22, 2021 16:42:24 GMT
Forget the hype - you're just repeating what we've been told obscures Taylor Swift's talent.
Billie Eilish's album, whether you like it or not, is an amazing achievement in its meticulous construction (by her and her brother) pretty much away from a normal studio. I do think she's talented and couldn't give a monkey's about her private life or her views.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 22, 2021 16:44:23 GMT
As for Bond themes, the most shaky one for me is by Sheryl Crow, and I normally love her music. The song was completely inappropriate for her style.
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 22, 2021 17:03:20 GMT
LOL - I love her vocal on "Tomorrow Never Dies". Cracking tune.
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Post by Tim on Jun 22, 2021 17:36:59 GMT
Out of interest, what does Taylor swift do for other musicians? This is only one thing she has done, there are many more examples. countrymusichalloffame.org/plan-your-visit/exhibits-activities/family-youth-programs/taylor-swift-education-center/She always has been her own songwriter, Country to start (not Country and Western . . . there's a difference), more mainstream now, but like most extremely talented artists, she continues to evolve. She might be many things, but sell out she's never done, she has always followed her own arrow and her talent as a singer/songwriter is quite remarkable. People might not like her music, but to suggest she is nothing more than a throwaway pop artist shows a lack of understanding about who she actually is and how talented, which is a shame. She started writing songs at 12, released her first album as a 16 year old and is mostly self taught. If you don't like country it might not appeal, but the song writing for a first album is very impressive. A pop juggernaut maybe, but there's a lot more to Taylor than many people give her credit for. |
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Post by nick193 on Jun 22, 2021 18:51:29 GMT
Wow, thanks Tim. That's really interesting to hear. As you say, I've mainly heard her later work when she reached superstardom. It is interesting to know that she writes her own stuff and has a more unique story behind her. I have probably been too quick to dismiss her after "love story" got played to death. I will definitely giver her more of a listen and see what I think. Thanks for the insight. Appreciated. 👍
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Post by ajski2fly on Jun 22, 2021 20:02:15 GMT
Out of interest, what does Taylor swift do for other musicians? This is only one thing she has done, there are many more examples. countrymusichalloffame.org/plan-your-visit/exhibits-activities/family-youth-programs/taylor-swift-education-center/She always has been her own songwriter, Country to start (not Country and Western . . . there's a difference), more mainstream now, but like most extremely talented artists, she continues to evolve. She might be many things, but sell out she's never done, she has always followed her own arrow and her talent as a singer/songwriter is quite remarkable. People might not like her music, but to suggest she is nothing more than a throwaway pop artist shows a lack of understanding about who she actually is and how talented, which is a shame. She started writing songs at 12, released her first album as a 16 year old and is mostly self taught. If you don't like country it might not appeal, but the song writing for a first album is very impressive. A pop juggernaut maybe, but there's a lot more to Taylor than many people give her credit for. As I said she’s sold out, I agree early stuff was great, maybe I should listen to the two recent albums but not the stuff in between |
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 23, 2021 14:39:57 GMT
]St. Vincent, “Masseducation” (2017) (If only Strange Mercy could make the last 5 years, great album) St Vincent has never really been on my radar but I'll certainly try these two albums ... |
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Post by Slinger on Jun 23, 2021 15:12:22 GMT
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Post by nick193 on Jun 23, 2021 15:55:50 GMT
Pocket change!
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Post by John on Jun 23, 2021 16:07:52 GMT
Gosh that is one ugly guitar 🎸 |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 23, 2021 18:22:39 GMT
This is a great track...
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 24, 2021 0:14:46 GMT
Well I'm kind of surprised but I really like 'Masseduction' - an excellent album!  Some really strong Prince influences on some of the funkier tracks. Definitely going to raid the back catalogue now. |
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