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Post by robbiegong on Jun 11, 2021 19:12:58 GMT
Anybody have / had experience of one of these ?
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 11, 2021 21:12:18 GMT
Are you wanting a change from the Sansui then Rob?
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Post by robbiegong on Jun 11, 2021 21:18:32 GMT
Hi Jules, not necessarily, the Sansui is a lovely amp, love it's balance and depth, just excellent. If it were to be perfect (nothing is), its phonostage would be a tad quieter, and that's about it.
I've been curious about the MF M6si for a while, big power and solid build, said to have a very quiet phonostage as well - looks a lot of amp for the money, hence the thread, curiosity...
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 11, 2021 21:55:04 GMT
Have you tried a really decent phono stage into the Sansui?
MF are kind of interesting - made some classic early gear, then went off the boil so I think people are suspicious of the recent gear without having heard them. Must be worth a demo.
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Post by robbiegong on Jun 11, 2021 22:09:55 GMT
Have you tried a really decent phono stage into the Sansui? MF are kind of interesting - made some classic early gear, then went off the boil so I think people are suspicious of the recent gear without having heard them. Must be worth a demo. That's a good question Jules. Whenever the thought has crossed my mind and I've looked at phonostages, it's a minefield. Tons of choice, options etc and then there's some with adjustment and more flexibility and so on - I've never had or used one.... Too much for my head, hence I'm an integrated, one box type of guy. I'd like to get my hands on the flagship, AU a907DR, the one above mine one day to be honest www.springair.de/en/sansui-au-alpha-907-dr/h61965Pretty much identical to what I have but 33kg, 160wpc @ 8ohms, against my 130wpc If I did I'd give it out and have the phonostage tweaked, improved, upgraded |
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 11, 2021 22:23:07 GMT
Agreed, phono stage matching with an MC cart can take a bit of legwork initially but a bit like VTA, once you're dialled in with the sweet spot, you won't look back. That was my experience with my phono stage and SUT at least!
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 11, 2021 22:37:18 GMT
Sorry if I'm going off-piste Rob, but if you don't fancy doing the maths on the cart matching, you could always get in touch with a friendly dealer and get them to let you demo a phono stage that would match. I expect you are using a low output MC.
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Post by robbiegong on Jun 11, 2021 22:56:56 GMT
Yeah low output Cadenza Black mc, re-tipped with the Fritz Gyger S. Digs mad deep and retrieves literally all the info in the grooves, if it's there it'll dig it out/reveal it.
Set up and correct vta is imperative though otherwise forget it, there is no in between. Once nailed and in the sweet-spot it is superb.
It's why I'm still up to be honest, getting through a shed load of albums / tunes - With the SP-10 and Spendor D7's, vinyl replay is very very revealing. Fave albums I've known for decades and thought I knew, then blimey! never heard that in there before ...
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Post by ChrisB on Jun 11, 2021 23:53:04 GMT
A lot of phono stages are specified for reviewers more than for real world customers, I often think. The makers bend over backwards to make them massively flexible and to make that flexibility easy for the reviewer to take advantage of. I think this is kind of superfluous for most people. Most people change their cartrudge very rarely and when they do, it's so often to something identical or very close to what they are replacing, so no real need for all that flexibility and ease of use. The number of people who want to change cartridges during a listening session or even overnight must, surely, be miniscule.
Reviewers, on the other hand, love this flexibility and place a lot of emohasis on it because...well, because they are reviewers. They're testing things on behalf of the owners of a pile of different cartridges, and so the ability to do quick, painless changes makes their life easier.
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 12, 2021 0:07:06 GMT
Once I settled on my phono stage I did a fair bit of research to work out what kind of SUT would work best with it - I must admit struggling with this a bit as maths not my strong suit but the effort paid off as there were only two settings on the Fidelity Research unit I bought and one was perfect so fit and forget.
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 12, 2021 11:03:35 GMT
It's why I'm still up to be honest, getting through a shed load of albums / tunes It must be great to be able to play music on your main system late in the evening - I don't think I have been able to do that since the 1980's!! |
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Post by robbiegong on Jun 12, 2021 21:04:59 GMT
It's why I'm still up to be honest, getting through a shed load of albums / tunes It must be great to be able to play music on your main system late in the evening - I don't think I have been able to do that since the 1980's!! Defo Jules but dont get me wrong, I have my daughters room above where my system is so it's listening with consideration and pretty volume low. Fortunately my system room is a modest 4mtr by 3.5mtr so nice and easy to listen in and enjoy music when volume down, thankfully  |
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Post by robbiegong on Jun 12, 2021 21:06:26 GMT
A lot of phono stages are specified for reviewers more than for real world customers, I often think. The makers bend over backwards to make them massively flexible and to make that flexibility easy for the reviewer to take advantage of. I think this is kind of superfluous for most people. Most people change their cartrudge very rarely and when they do, it's so often to something identical or very close to what they are replacing, so no real need for all that flexibility and ease of use. The number of people who want to change cartridges during a listening session or even overnight must, surely, be miniscule. Reviewers, on the other hand, love this flexibility and place a lot of emohasis on it because...well, because they are reviewers. They're testing things on behalf of the owners of a pile of different cartridges, and so the ability to do quick, painless changes makes their life easier. True Chris |
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 12, 2021 21:21:09 GMT
It must be great to be able to play music on your main system late in the evening - I don't think I have been able to do that since the 1980's!! Defo Jules but dont get me wrong, I have my daughters room above where my system is so it's listening with consideration and pretty volume low. Fortunately my system room is a modest 4mtr by 3.5mtr so nice and easy to listen in and enjoy music when volume down, thankfully Ah, I had visions of you rocking the house Rob! |
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Post by robbiegong on Jun 12, 2021 21:49:26 GMT
Defo Jules but dont get me wrong, I have my daughters room above where my system is so it's listening with consideration and pretty volume low. Fortunately my system room is a modest 4mtr by 3.5mtr so nice and easy to listen in and enjoy music when volume down, thankfully Ah, I had visions of you rocking the house Rob!  |
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Post by daytona600 on Jun 13, 2021 17:08:31 GMT
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