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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 22, 2014 9:36:15 GMT
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Post by pre65 on Aug 22, 2014 10:16:30 GMT
The thread title is wrong, because one can die ANYWHERE on the road, or even off the road.
The map shows where people HAVE died.
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 22, 2014 10:32:22 GMT
Not particularly scary! London is scary, but that's got more to do with population density than anything else. London is one place I do not drive around if I can avoid it. Even scarier is the antics some of the cyclists get up to - some of them do not abide by traffic law and they really do have a deathwish!
Look at Manchester. The picture is very different. The population density is a lot lower than London, and the number of incidents is correspondingly lower.
A look at where I live in Rossendale. You need to pull the map across until you get a town on the left side that's named Haslingden. According to the statistics shown most deaths were of car drivers, which kinda sits in with my experience - it's a semi rural area, and there are lots of drivers who do not adhere to speed limits, have piss poor anticipation skills, and are distracted by other things in the car while they're driving. In other words, they drive just like idiots do up and down the country - I get all over the UK and I see it all over the UK.
On a good note - there were no cyclists killed in the time frame, and we have a lot of cyclists and cycling clubs riding through and about the area.
Phil's post is spot on - you have to vigilant every time you go outside your front door.
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 22, 2014 12:47:42 GMT
Scary for me seeing the total of deaths and places I know well.
I could have been one of those icone with a split second change in timing as I was knocked off my bike and thrown to one side. Being a cyclist that has driven cars for many years helps with my 6th sense as does my trusty mirror.
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 22, 2014 12:58:03 GMT
Mirrors on bikes are a good thing Mike. I always ride with one attached. It's a great pity that most car drivers have forgotten what it's like to ride a bike on the roads, and that they need consider that what is no real obstacle to a car can be extremely perilous to a cyclist. I don't know what the cycle lanes are like where you are, but most of them are in poor condition around here, and as a result they're dangerous to use. I'm still waiting for the exchange of words with some impatient idiot behind a wheel. Hasn't happened yet, but I expect it will at some point.
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 22, 2014 14:41:34 GMT
I tried my new bike without a mirror for a few months. Not nice, like being partially sighted. Doesn't look cool, but I am not caring !
Cycle paths round here are fair. Worst time is when Salesian School in Chertsey tip out. The kids are all over the cycle path, blind to all except their mates and whatever they have in their hand, phone, Ipod etc. - or just plain oblivious to the world ! I emailed the head to say someone will be injured sooner or later - no reply. Saw a kid coming the other way a couple of months back, caught his bars in a kid's jacket who was oblivious, walking on the cycle path - straight into the middle of the road. No traffic thank goodness
I've been told to get on the cycle path (pavement) by a few when I sometimes avoid them. I imagine law will catch up sooner or later with the above or below 15mph on the path, over 15mph on the road.
I'm well aware I'm soft and fragile compared to a ton or 2 of metal
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Post by Dave on Aug 22, 2014 16:08:36 GMT
Attitudes on both sides need to change IMO. I used to be an avid cyclist and as such I abided strictly by the rules of the road, stopping at traffic lights and crossings, employing clear hand signals when turning etc, etc.
I was attacked on one occasion by a fellow cyclist for causing him to swerve as I slowed down to stop at a Pelican crossing. He had no intention of stopping and as a result nearly ploughed into a mum with a buggy who was negotiating the crossing. I should add the lights were on red. Once he eventually brought his rather expensive carbon fibre framed racing bike to a halt, he marched towards me, pushing the mother out of the way, and threw a punch at my face. I put him straight down on his arse.
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 22, 2014 16:11:10 GMT
I have seen some gruesome police report photographs and mangled flesh all looks the same. What is always different is the road.
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Post by Chris on Aug 22, 2014 19:07:01 GMT
4 deaths in Edinburgh this year(that I know of). This is rated as a superb city for cycling as well!! Personally,I go for a highly aggressive style of riding in the city. I utterly fancy my chances with ANY motor vehicle/driver and will not hesitate to kick cars too close,pull in front of them throw down the bike and give them a chance to have a go WITHOUT their cars. Fuck them. Cars have had it their way long enough. I also(roughly) follow the rules unless the situation demands otherwise. I'm a proper handful on a bike.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Aug 22, 2014 19:10:08 GMT
That's easy for you to say, you're twice the size of most folk! :-)
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