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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 18, 2024 9:12:03 GMT
Thanks
Will get that on the way to me
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 18, 2024 11:41:33 GMT
Mine is on its way..
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 18, 2024 15:58:16 GMT
In advance of my mains noise meter arriving I try out moving one of my Kemp filters Three in place, all on the same circuit as the system, one on the left and two on the right of the system Listen - good Turn off socket on far right Kemp and move to kitchen, closest I can get to where power comes into the house Play track again Ears deceiving me ? 'Louder', background more forward into the mix, smoother sound, even easier on the ear Swap back to start Flatter sound, some detail, space and air lost Subtle, but there, not night and day, more like 4pm today in bright sunshine and 5pm with the sun beginning to fade
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 18, 2024 16:33:41 GMT
Having a Kemp filter where the mains comes into the house could also improve other items like the kitchen system, nicer toast, better boiled water, maybe my cooking will improve As we have such bizarre mains issues that meter could tell me more of what is going on, maybe even fix it
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 18, 2024 17:22:40 GMT
Good result Mike, shame you can't get the Kemp with UK plug anymore, although l'm sure some type of adapter will exist.
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 18, 2024 18:20:51 GMT
The Fidelity Audio is not much behind. Prices are enough though
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 20, 2024 14:48:24 GMT
Confirmation test with the golden eared one today
Kemp in the kitchen turned off Play track, sounds wonderful Kemp on Play again. Harshness gone and seems louder
Same as yesterday and confirmed by the boss "Golden sound"
What if ?
Spare Tacima available Take to the kitchen and into the other socket of the double with the Kemp in
Wow. Sounds better again, not quite the step up the Kemp gave but noticeably better If you look back up thread the Tacima doesn't measure well at all so what's going on there then ?
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Post by MartinT on Oct 20, 2024 15:57:07 GMT
They work at different frequencies and can complement each other.
My ring was reading 0.2% noise with the Kemp in the 'master socket' and Sercal, Isoplug, Tacima spread around the room. Adding another Tacima to the (now free) socket next to the Kemp gives an overall reading of 0.1%.
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 20, 2024 16:11:41 GMT
I have various around the house. Will concentrate more in the kitchen
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Post by MartinT on Oct 20, 2024 16:34:03 GMT
It seems that the master socket nearest to incoming power is critical for reducing noise from externally. Then the ring or radial used to power the system.
I have treated all my plug-in filters with graphene and will listen again later.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 20, 2024 17:15:29 GMT
They work at different frequencies and can complement each other. My ring was reading 0.2% noise with the Kemp in the 'master socket' and Sercal, Isoplug, Tacima spread around the room. Adding another Tacima to the (now free) socket next to the Kemp gives an overall reading of 0.1%. Excellent results Martin 👏. You touched on a subject l was discussing with Matt, the LHY meter is quite limited in its range, 300khz to 700khz. This lead me to look up the ifi AC purifier spec,sadly the only give away is a graph, and interestingly it looks like the ifi starts around 700khz and above, out of range of the meter,so you could use it before the other filters, however l get your point, there are better filters out there,l'm looking forward to my meter arriving, just wish it covered a wider bandwidth, still its good fun, and it will be interesting to hear if additional filters make a difference on my Puritans.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 20, 2024 18:05:28 GMT
I think you missed the observation that the ifi puts out TONS of crap within the LHY's range!
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 20, 2024 19:31:05 GMT
I think you missed the observation that the ifi puts out TONS of crap within the LHY's range! Not at all Martin,my point was about the Meter,it dosent cover the frequencies of the ifi,as l stated there are better filters,l understand your feelings on the noise,so l'm not sure if you understood.l was trying to point out the pit falls of the meter.Another example, and this is not based on any fact, let's say the Kemp filter is noisy at 150khz ,the LHY meter wouldn't pick it up.. so you would be trusting your ears and not the Meter, actually the LHY reads a very narrow frequency spectrum, that runs from the Top of Low Wave into halfway if the Medium Wave band, it could possibly add Radio signals into the noise readings,if your close to a Medium wave transmitter,l'm not trying to put a negative spin on it, just offering my years of experience within my hobby of Radio listening, you would be amazed at the similarities involved.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 20, 2024 21:08:12 GMT
Yes, I understand that the LHY's range is limited (although certainly better than the older LHY meter). I also understand that there might be noise outside of its band that it won't detect.
What I don't understand, regarding the ifi active filter, is why I would contemplate using it in view of the simply atrocious amount of noise that it does throw out. You said "so you could use it before the other filters" and my response is "I'd rather burn it, crush the ashes and bury it in a deep hole to ensure that no other poor sap ever tries to use it to reduce any noise".
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 20, 2024 21:50:33 GMT
l understand your logic... But if you have already purchased a ifi, you could use first to kill off everything from 700khz, then use the kemp to clean the clean below 700Khz. Personally l would take the LHY meter with a pinch of salt,a bit of fun,it covers such narrow frequency band, in reality it covers probably Less than 1% of the spectrum. I understand your reasons, but know doubt if the LHY covered a wider frequency spectrum,it would show flaws with most filters at certains frequency points.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 21, 2024 9:39:52 GMT
if the LHY covered a wider frequency spectrum,it would show flaws with most filters at certains frequency points Yes, I do understand that. However, my ears are backing up what I hear and that is that I have very quiet power to the system now. I suspect the LHY may well respond, if not linearly, to a wider frequency range than they claim. The ifi is really terrible, no number of other plug-ins are going to clean up that mess. I seriously think someone should prosecute them under the merchantable goods laws, but I put it down to experience.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 21, 2024 12:23:21 GMT
l guess it really depends on the source of the interference,as that will be personal to everyone,the only way we will ever know if the ifi does what it claims filter above 700khz and invest in some proper test gear,but we are moving into Tony territory really, if we could see a graphical view of all the frequencies, then we would have a definite answer. lnterestingly and l haven't checked on Amazon, has the ifi had any positive reviews?
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Post by orange55 on Oct 21, 2024 14:15:08 GMT
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Post by stellabagpuss on Oct 21, 2024 15:08:30 GMT
Excellent... And what's interesting that all the filters don't seem to kick in way after the 700khz range. Interestingly the ifi has less filtering rejection,so that backs MartinT findings and experiences,the ifi works, but just not as effective, plus it bangs out interference to the frequencies it's not trying to suppress, it just a case that the LHY have chosen a band that the filters don't cover, however fair play..if they hadn't chosen different frequencies to test,then MartinT wouldn't have picked up on this and apart from it not sounding as effective, we would be non of the wiser... Thanks for the link of the test,it answers a lot of questions...
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Post by MartinT on Oct 21, 2024 15:34:06 GMT
"There the whole thing just gets very cluttered ... The whole thing feels a bit glassy and rough. Especially with acoustic instruments. That makes longer listening really quite unpleasant in this set-up."
Hmmm. Classic effects of high noise on the digital side. As I said, the ifi is bin fodder.
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