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Post by f456gt on Sept 9, 2020 20:35:21 GMT
Hi Chaps,
I am looking for a preamp. I am done and over with stuff like AN or EAR, your inputs were greatly appreciated.
I found this Uesugi Bros -1 for sale here in the States and would like to know if anyone on this forum is familiar or have heard his products.
Cheers,
From the seller: "Another legend of Japanese Audio.. the Uesugi UBROS-1 Preamplifier. Several inputs (both high and low level options) Great phono stage, and 2 pairs of outputs. Separate power supply box to keep the sound extra clean.
If you dont know about Uesugi.. the brothers were some of the founders of the Japanese hifi we know today. Their designs sat on the shelf to inspire Shindo while he was developing his own work.
Better still with this particular model, is that about a year and a half ago I did some work to it:
- Replaced all electrolytic capacitors with like value or better value of higher quality Nichicon. - Replaced all the coupling caps with Mundorf Supreme Gold/Silver/Oil. - Replaced the volume attenuator with Gold Point 47 position discrete resistor unit. - Telefunken glass in the preamp section. - Converted the unit to 117V for USA use. Fortunately the power transformer has multiple taps inside, so you can enjoy this Japanese-market only piece without the need for a step-down power transformer!"
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 10, 2020 7:14:06 GMT
If it's the legend that the owner seems to say it is, and if the designers are so revered, why did he (presumably an amateur) feel the need to go into it and change it?
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Post by MartinT on Sept 10, 2020 7:46:30 GMT
I would have thought that a used classic Audio Research or Conrad-Johnson preamp would be in plentiful supply in the US?
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 10, 2020 11:20:39 GMT
Chris makes very good points there. Would be quite a brave purchase as sound wise it could be anything.
If you were buying from a dealer and could return if it didn't suit it might be worth a punt but could be difficult to re-sell if you don't like it.
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Post by John on Sept 10, 2020 11:58:03 GMT
I agree with Jules unless you can hear this in your system I would avoid
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Post by f456gt on Sept 10, 2020 14:18:48 GMT
Point is well taken, I have to tighten my screws. There are a lot of people replacing parts for the sake of it.
Here is an excerpt from PS Audio: "Unless your capacitors are defective (they allow DC current to pass through them), or have changed their value over time due to heat and other environmental factors, you are not likely to improve anything by replacing them. The same goes for replacement metal film resistors. It’s true that metal film resistors have lower noise than other types, but that makes a difference only in certain critical circuits, such as the input stage of a high-gain mike preamp. It’s also true that different types of capacitors are more or less suitable for different types of circuits. But if you think the designers of your amplifier or mixer are too stupid to have used appropriate components in the first place, why would the rest of the design be good enough to warrant the cost of improved parts? In fairness, extremely old gear often employs carbon composition resistors, and replacing them can make a difference in many audio circuits. But anything manufactured in the past 20 years or so will use carbon film resistors and decent capacitors".
On the other hand, it is impossible to purchase used equipment from private vendors on a trial basis.
There is a chap in Hawaii selling his mint AN Ongaku for half the price.
Cheers
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 10, 2020 17:58:26 GMT
I guess if you manage to get the Audio Note at a really good price you've got a better chance of moving it on quickly if it doesn't suit. I don't know what the market is like in the US but over here it's definitely a buyer's market!
If I wanted a tube pre I'd be buying Justin's Cayin for sure - seems like a lot of quality for the money and you know it will have been well cared for.
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Post by f456gt on Sept 10, 2020 23:23:38 GMT
Yes, there are plenty of CJ and Audio Research available for sale but also too many models and it is a little bit confusing. I have read that the phono section of the ARC SP14 [£950/£1100] is fantastic, there are several on sale now.
It is a hybrid, can a one 6DJ8 valve preamplifier sound that good? It is an older model.
Cheers,
Horacio
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Post by ChrisB on Sept 10, 2020 23:50:34 GMT
If you want a classic all valve ARC preamp with a phono stage, then it has to be an SP8 or an SP10. The SP10 is fantastic but it eats valves. The SP11 is also fantastic but pricey and not all valve. The phono stage is not as good as even the SP8. Many people would shoot me down for saying that, but I once advised someone I know of this (someone from the music business who had previously owned an SP10) and he ignored me and traded in his SP8 for an SP11 and then finally agreed with me, deeply regretting his actions.
I have owned an SP8 since 1990-ish.
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 11, 2020 7:04:24 GMT
But if you think the designers of your amplifier or mixer are too stupid to have used appropriate components in the first place, why would the rest of the design be good enough to warrant the cost of improved parts? Ah, that made me laugh! Solid logic there. Also, I recall a forum acquaintance buying at huge expense an On-Gaku and finding it way too bright. Luckily, with legendary gear like this it's not difficult to sell on, but even small % losses can be significant at this price level.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 11, 2020 7:09:44 GMT
I think many 211 amplifiers sound bright as they don't have the transformers to do justice to the bass, which ends up being somewhat soft. That's a generalisation, but it matches my experience.
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Post by user211 on Sept 11, 2020 7:49:05 GMT
Mine weigh 42KG each Martin. It's nearly all transformer mass. The bass is amazing even driving Apogees. It's the best part.
There aren't many 211 amps on the market with power. Plus they're usually sold on the basis they are single ended and therefore amazing. But the compromise of lower power is very real with a lot of speakers.
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Post by user211 on Sept 11, 2020 8:01:10 GMT
IMHO the best 211 amps sound bouncy, fast, full, rich, very spacious and engaging to listen too.
This is really obvious in the AN line up as I have heard their 2A3 and 300B efforts at length at someone's home as well as a 211 one.
Will post a couple of links in a bit.
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Post by user211 on Sept 11, 2020 8:13:14 GMT
See Ongaku thread for links.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 11, 2020 8:17:15 GMT
Good to hear you have a pair of heavyweights!
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Post by f456gt on Sept 13, 2020 18:12:20 GMT
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Post by Chris on Nov 29, 2020 10:13:05 GMT
Anatoly at Wavebourns doing a nice pre amp just now. Glad you got sorted though
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