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Post by jandl100 on Sept 1, 2020 19:19:08 GMT
As many classical fans know, Bruckner wrote 9 symphonies. 1 to 9. Only, he didn't. He wrote 2 others, that predate numbers 1 & 2 (actually he wrote #2 before #1). They are often called number Zero (0) and Double Zero (00) - or the Nullte and the Study Symphony, resp. If you are a Bruckner fan, then you will quite likely find that they are both wonderful! This classical album choice focuses on #0, the Nullte. In effect, Bruckner's 2nd symphony, only it's not number 2, it's number 0. Bruckner wasn't impressed by it in retrospect and struck it off his catalogue. He nulled it. He was wrong! It's magnificent. There's quite a few recordings around, some rather tedious imo. Others can be tremendously exciting as well as very beautiful, much more to my taste. Probably my favourite is conducted by Rozhdestvensky - easy to find if you use the search facility on a streaming service. But the sound quality there is Soviet style brash and forward - in its way tremendously exciting in the magnificent brass fanfares, but a bit abrasive in the violin sections. So I've chosen a more modern Western recording. Step up Sir Georg. (Solti). open.qobuz.com/album/0002894789215
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 1, 2020 19:38:54 GMT
That's brilliant, thanks Jerry - I'm not familiar with these works so will be most interesting!
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Post by MartinT on Sept 1, 2020 19:46:08 GMT
Excellent choice, Jerry. It's been a while since I listened to the 0th (!) and I need to revisit it. There's not a lot of Bruckner I don't like.
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Post by Slinger on Sept 2, 2020 21:42:12 GMT
I was going to bed about 45 minutes ago, but stupidly I thought, I'll just give the start of this a quick listen while i'm doing a couple of things. I'll have a proper listen tomorrow I thought. Idiot!
Absolutely stonking, Jerry. I loved every note.
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 3, 2020 0:06:24 GMT
Bedtime listening for me and it's the first play of this work so would like to note some thoughts.
The first movement is interesting how it juxtaposes a military march like theme and rhythm with openly romantic ones. The strings are lovely here. Then the brass fanfares up the ante and tension with military precision. But then the schizophrenic sweetness returns; you aren't allowed to settle for a moment. It's very restless and propulsive how it flits between moods and finishes on an uncertain and brooding note. Magnificent.
The Andante has a noble restraint and romance to it. Love the sweet and languid theme at 1-47. Some deliciously searching woodwind are a sure highlight for me.
The opening two minutes of the Scherzo woke me up from any previous pastoral slumber! So precisely observed with those highly charged clipped rhythms. We then get a little rest before the breathlessly hypnotic theme returns. Really exciting music.
Another highly memorable and noble theme kicks off the Finale before the restless emotional states of the opening movement return. The remainder of the movement doesn't quite maintain the same originality and idiosyncrasy as the rest of the work but it has its moments and finishes strongly.
An absolutely first rate orchestral performance for sure, very tightly marshalled by Solti. I'll have to say a very fine 9 from me.
Gosh, did Bruckner really bin all this?
I am indebted to Jerry for the introduction and have added this to my library of course but are there any great contemporary recordings out there?
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 3, 2020 4:34:31 GMT
Thanks, guys.
Rabid Bruckner fan though I am, I have to agree with Jules that his finales can rather run out of steam now and then. But he always gets it back together for a stonking finish!
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 3, 2020 5:40:18 GMT
... are there any great contemporary recordings out there? Well, imo the Solti is as 'contemporary' as any other. The sq is up with the best. More importantly in my view is the style of interpretation - Solti is at one extreme of rhythmic concision, and is quite an ear opener. But there are other ways to perform the symphony that can give it a quite different affect. For example, try Chailly. He takes about 1/3rd longer in the Andante slow mvt, to ravishing effect!
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 3, 2020 12:42:09 GMT
I was listening on headphones and whilst I could appreciate the truly superb orchestra, I can't guess how it would sound on the system.
I've found the Soviet effort on Spoti and also saved Chailly for comparison. Difficult to imagine how either orchestra could outplay Chicago on this one though!
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 3, 2020 13:54:23 GMT
Ah well, you wait until you hear the difference in the interpretations. The quality of the orchestra is something else entirely. You do have to credit the Soviet brass sections with an amazing amount of enthusiasm, though!
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 3, 2020 23:40:46 GMT
Will the 'OO' be the next installment?? Assuming that you are offering a 'VFM Album Choice' as usual?
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 4, 2020 4:49:47 GMT
I must admit that I am considering some other early Bruckner
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Post by MartinT on Sept 4, 2020 10:43:58 GMT
I like the Te Deum...
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Post by MartinT on Sept 4, 2020 19:27:43 GMT
This is a wonderful symphony and performance. Solti does Bruckner well and the orchestra are magnificent. Blazing brass fanfares are staple Bruckner and used to great effect here. The slabs of ppp followed by fff remind me of the 3rd. Good recording, too.
It simply must get a 10/10.
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Post by julesd68 on Sept 13, 2020 19:27:38 GMT
Any recommendations for the 00 ?
There don't appear to be many to choose from on Spoti at least.
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 13, 2020 19:39:39 GMT
Any recommendations for the 00 ? There don't appear to be many to choose from on Spoti at least. Rozhdestvenky is good if you can find it. I have it on CD, but doesn't appear to be streamed. Let's see... Hmm, Inbal gets off to a good start... A little slack, but gives you the idea. There's a few on Spotify. Shame Solti didn't record it! I think Inbal is good enough that you can imagine how it would sound with Solti!
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Post by MartinT on Sept 14, 2020 5:32:49 GMT
I think Inbal is good enough that you can imagine how it would sound with Solti! LOL! It's a new way of listening: pick your favourite composer and imagine he was playing it.
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 19, 2020 3:39:51 GMT
And, for the truly obsessed, an organ transcription of the Nullte I like the way they call this Vol. 0 of an intended full series of Bruckner symphony transcriptions.
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