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Post by DaveC on Aug 19, 2014 7:45:19 GMT
I disagree with almost everything you say Dave.
Which parts and why ? So far it seems I'm proved right on every point ?
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 19, 2014 7:50:24 GMT
OK, apologies - I'll rephrase that. I disagree with almost all of the opinions that you expressed in your post for the reasons I have already given.
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Post by DaveC on Aug 19, 2014 8:06:26 GMT
You have only quoted lazy journalism, there is much more in my post.
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 19, 2014 13:26:58 GMT
Did you miss my last post on the previous page?
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Post by DaveC on Aug 19, 2014 15:28:41 GMT
Yes, that was the one I was referring to !
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 19, 2014 15:37:08 GMT
Gentleman , you are like two boxers , dancing round each other . Land a punch please .
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 19, 2014 18:13:01 GMT
I can't quite understand why I have to spell it out, but OK, as you insist. Your opinions that I disagree with:
1. Forum people by their very nature do not buy magazines. Well, no. Some people here (including yourself....!) have said that they read magazines.
2. ...perhaps the other silent 120 people here do the same ? (read magazines) Does that not contradict what you said in opinion no. 1? You can't be correct on both counts!
3. But who cares ? Not you, it seems but as I said in my earlier post: I do, that's why I asked the question. Obviously the other people who replied to my question care enough to reply, and especially those who noted that there is a gap in the publishing market to cater for those who are no longer able to find a magazine that interests them. 4. Why would a forum want to dis a magazine, what is the point ? I'll say it again: this forum has not 'dissed' any magazine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 18:22:53 GMT
I say Daniel, insight fulness abound Cut to the chase my dear boy , a left upper cut, followed by a right cross and a back handed left elbow. I believe that was the usual Friday frolic's if the Chef's fair was not up to scratch on most Philips north sea oil rigs in the early 80's. I say good fellow Marquis of Queesbury rules, shall we have it them. Tally Ho once more in to the breech dear friends. All because the Hifi press were mentioned
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Post by welder on Aug 19, 2014 21:12:35 GMT
I haven’t read a Hi Fi mag for years. I used to be a regular reader of the electronics magazines that were published in the early 70‘s and later, occasionally, Hi Fi answers. I glanced through a couple of the current offerings recently and there didn’t seem much in them to read as such; lots of pictures and advertising but not much to pique my interest. Part of the problem is I couldn’t give a toss what so and so thought about a component in his system; it’s completely meaningless unless one happens to have an identical system and written descriptions of how something sounds, have imo, always been problematical.
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Post by Pinch on Aug 19, 2014 21:26:28 GMT
I don't think I've ever seen a hifi magazine, let alone read one! I suspect that, for many people my age (early 30s) and younger, who find themselves drawn to hifi/audio, they wouldn't even think to buy a magazine, and would just go straight online. Not that I've any reason to doubt that there's good stuff in print - it's just not what comes naturally.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 22, 2014 1:31:15 GMT
I subscribe to Stereophile electronically via Zinio and I still subscribe to the newsstand version of HFN. I like the US and UK viewpoints respectively and appreciate the reviews and industry news. Some of this is simply not available via other means.
I have no intention of stopping these subscriptions. For me, they are usually (but not always) good reads.
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Post by zippy on Aug 31, 2014 18:27:18 GMT
Just subscribed to HFN (digital edition) after many years of not buying or reading hifi mags - not too pricey by todays standards
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Post by yomanze on Sept 2, 2014 9:12:16 GMT
Let's see:
Audial Model S DAC - No real reviews online, but the best DAC I've heard regardless of price LFD PA2M (SE) - No reviews LFD DLS - No reviews Royd RR3 - No reviews Royd Sorcerer - Few old print reviews
...that's a big fat no then. I'm a media & marketing professional, so am particularly sensitive to the fact that publicity and quality are not linked, and by digging a bit deeper one can find the seriously good stuff.
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Post by zippy on Sept 2, 2014 14:43:25 GMT
Let's see: Audial Model S DAC - No real reviews online, but the best DAC I've heard regardless of price LFD PA2M (SE) - No reviews LFD DLS - No reviews Royd RR3 - No reviews Royd Sorcerer - Few old print reviews ...that's a big fat no then. I'm a media & marketing professional, so am particularly sensitive to the fact that publicity and quality are not linked, and by digging a bit deeper one can find the seriously good stuff. I don't necessarily believe everything I read in the mags, and I wouldn't use a review result as my sole means of choosing an item, but the mags are useful to find out what's new, and of course HFN covers music as well as hifi.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 15:27:19 GMT
Let's see: Audial Model S DAC - No real reviews online, but the best DAC I've heard regardless of price LFD PA2M (SE) - No reviews LFD DLS - No reviews Royd RR3 - No reviews Royd Sorcerer - Few old print reviews ...that's a big fat no then. I'm a media & marketing professional, so am particularly sensitive to the fact that publicity and quality are not linked, and by digging a bit deeper one can find the seriously good stuff. As a media & marketing professional Yomanze you will understand the exact situation why these brands have little to zero coverage within the industry, possibly the exception of the of the flat earther's favorite whippet thrashers and toe tappers tune dem club, The Royd Dublets. These days it is more about the branding / image than the products themselves whichever industry you represent.
The brands which are at the forefront of the magazines are those that pay for that privilege and have a long standing relationship with said publication. Ever read a Ken Kessler review of an Absolute Sounds product with less than 84% in HFN?
Take Mac Donald's, Coke, Burger King or KFC we all know the products are not the best we could feed ourselves yet at some point we have all tasted them. They pour $billions world wide in their prospective marketing budgets. On bus, tubes, cinemas, TV, Radio, magazines you will always see / hear one of these companies adverts at some point in the day.
Now Audio is not in the same league as fast food complerely agree, buit to bring a relatively unknown brand (regardless of how you or I feel it is) to market here in the UK requires time, money and a lot of effort.
Hypothesis for you Yomanze.
New brand launched here in the UK (A British one) say a great dac, real gaint killer easily upset the world order of audio.
Starting from a zero provenance, you will require stock for demo and review, a marketing budget of realistically £50-100K (this is UK audio not US lol) per annum this is for advertising, social media, websites, dealer events, exhibitions, traveling costs to and from dealers etc.
Reviews only come with products that have a dealer network, so a bit of a catch 22, which magazines to use, do you use non audio magazines / outlets and promote your product as a trendy wendy device (A la Devialet) or via a traditional audio product route.
Then you have the issue of dealers accpeting the product, regardless of whether it is fantastic or not, remember dealers that have been selling certain products for a number of years to customers are know for their brand allegiance are not suddenly going to cut the hand that feeds them a steady income and has done over a period of years.
I suggest it would take at least 36 months to establish a new brand from scatch with a a half decent product, now most of these small volume manufactueres who create these products, have virtually zero marketing experiance or knowledge let alone the budget to really get their product out there.
So unless you know a dragon who loves audio and isn't worried about making money too much or have a marketing company that have a vested interest in the company then you have answered you own question.
Just a point Devialet are owned by a large electronics conglomerate who financial muscle is huge in comparison to say Focal / Naim are / have been pumping a great deal deal of money into their products promotion over the last three years and its paying dividends for them.
Regardless of whether you like the product or not, it sells and sells well.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 2, 2014 20:49:33 GMT
Just subscribed to HFN (digital edition) after many years of not buying or reading hifi mags - not too pricey by todays standards I was pleased to see that HFN has just become available on Zinio. Now I can enjoy both it and Stereophile electronically on all my devices.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 14:52:16 GMT
I guess that TonyC pretty much said it all there! I have never submitted my product (Arkless 640P phono stage) for review, even though I was once invited to by Alan Sircom, because I just can't believe I would get a fair review. My product has been rave reviewed in on line forums and is generally regarded as a true giant killer.... can you imagine any magazine publishing a review that says the same when I have NO advertising budget, no intention of ever advertising in their magazine and when a truly rave review for my phono stage could be read as saying "don't buy the expensive products in all the glossy advertising in our magazine because this one is just as good at a quarter of the price".... no I can't imagine it either!
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Post by tony on Oct 25, 2014 17:25:44 GMT
I will occasionally browse the mags in wh smith...the prices of components make my eyes water. WHF serves as a rough guide for richer sounds purchases that have been pretty good for me on a limited budget.
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Post by AlanS on Oct 25, 2014 18:11:25 GMT
Not read one for years. When I did they reviewed what I could/would not afford
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Post by topalwaysdown on Oct 26, 2014 17:16:38 GMT
Used to buy a copy if the cover headlines caught my attention but stopped when it those mags or porn? so now I give them a miss, removes some of the temptation to buy stuff I don't need, enough of that on here.
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