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Post by TheMooN on Jun 17, 2020 14:52:10 GMT
Post your examples and preference.
whilst I still enjoy the Film Noir origional De Nero's performance takes it over Robert Mitchams.
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Post by TheMooN on Jun 17, 2020 14:59:19 GMT
In this instance the Origional for me.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 17, 2020 15:04:27 GMT
Original Solaris by Tarkovsky - good.
Solaris remake with Clooney and McElhone - superb.
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Post by Slinger on Jun 17, 2020 19:24:26 GMT
Psycho: The original was/is a classic. The remake - they followed the original script, word for word - was abysmal. Invasion Of The Body Snatchers: Both original and remake were good films. The Thing: I think the remake beats out the original, but that doesn't mean that the original was a bad film, it just means that the remake was superb. The Fly: Cronenberg does for The Fly what Carpenter did for The Thing. He - to use an Americanism - takes it to a whole other level. Total Recall: One word. Why? There are obviously a lot more that I haven't seen. Most of them I've avoided deliberately.  |
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Post by John on Jun 17, 2020 19:32:51 GMT
Seven Samurai and The Magnificent Seven No choice for me Seven Samurai just has so much depth
Hidden Fortress and Star Wars A New Hope I go for a New hope
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Post by MartinT on Jun 17, 2020 22:25:56 GMT
The Thing: I think the remake beats out the original, but that doesn't mean that the original was a bad film, it just means that the remake was superb. The remake is brilliant. |
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 17, 2020 22:30:58 GMT
Total Recall: One word. Why? Easy cash in for a new audience I guess. I had no idea they remade it. Absolutely loved the original. |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 18, 2020 6:57:53 GMT
Total Recall: One word. Why? Easy cash in for a new audience I guess. I had no idea they remade it. Absolutely loved the original. Philip K. Dick, of course (We Can Remember It for you Wholesale). Same as Blade Runner (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?), Minority Report, A Scanner Darkly and the absolutely brilliant The Adjustment Bureau. |
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Post by Tim on Jun 19, 2020 9:04:06 GMT
Original Solaris by Tarkovsky - good. Solaris remake with Clooney and McElhone - superb. Ooo, one of my favourite films, but I'd flip that one Martin;
Tarkovsky - outstanding
Soderbergh - good
For me Soderbergh left too much out of the Solaris remake and led the viewer by the hand a bit more than I prefer, so it lacked the symbolism and spiritual engagement of the Tarkovsky. He turned it into a love story in space and focused far too much on that aspect, rather than the deeper meaning of the original. And that stupid grin of McElhone's became quite irritating.
It is visually gorgeous though, but it didn't stimulate me on a cerebral level like the Tarkovsky does.
So on this occasion I agree with the scores on IMDB 
Another great remake is Suspiria; Agento 1977 - very good Guadagnino 2018 - outstanding I particularly like the Suspiria remake for the music by Thom Yorke - in fact that goes for Solaris too, the music in the remake is really good 
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Post by MartinT on Jun 19, 2020 10:26:47 GMT
For me, the effect of Solaris (Soderbergh) was enhanced and very personal by McElhone reminding me strongly of my deceased wife, especially as she looks here.  |
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Post by Tim on Jun 19, 2020 15:41:14 GMT
Can't argue with that for a valid reason |
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Post by Slinger on Jun 19, 2020 16:24:00 GMT
Another great remake is Suspiria; Agento 1977 - very good Guadagnino 2018 - outstanding I particularly like the Suspiria remake for the music by Thom Yorke - in fact that goes for Solaris too, the music in the remake is really good Now I'm interested. I went through a period where I was devouring giallo movies, and although Suspiria is not " strictly" a giallo it was a Dario Argento film, so I watched, and thoroughly enjoyed it at the time. I'm also a bit of a Goblin fan, so Thom York has some way to go to convince me. I'm more inclined to give it a watch than I was before your post though, so thanks for mentioning it. The only thing really sending up warning signs now is the fact that Guadagnino has turned Argento's 1hour 40 minutes into 2 hours and 32 minutes. |
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Post by Tim on Jun 19, 2020 16:57:40 GMT
It's quite different Paul, more of a reimagining than a remake, as it does differ a lot from the original, more so than the 2 Solaris films, which I felt shared the same concept, but Suspiria reinvents the concept. So far everyone I've recommended it too didn't like it! It's quite artsy in places with quite a few WTF moments, which is probably why I like it... it's very non Hollywood. Tilda Swinton as always is very good, which accounts a lot for why I like it. I'm not much of a Dakota Johnson fan, but even she pulls off a passable performance. Allegedly she needed therapy after making it, as she found it quite emotional. It's certainly very original and possibly quite challenging |
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Post by Slinger on Jun 19, 2020 20:16:27 GMT
So... still set in a dance school, and the title's the same, and that's about it? I completely agree about Tilda Swinton, by the way. What did you make of Orlando? I knew Dave Motion who did the music for it otherwise I'd probably never have watched it. I'm glad I did though. |
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Post by Tim on Jun 20, 2020 10:40:40 GMT
What did you make of Orlando? Ooo, Orlando, Sally Potter's masterpiece. I love it Paul, ground-breaking for it’s time and a brave project. Empire, gender, immortality and those costumes - all in one film and those brief moments when the fourth wall is broken. With just one look Tilda is able to portray so much. I read a critics quote somewhere about the film "Rarely have source material, director and leading actress been more in alignment than in Orlando" Kind up sums it up perfectly. Time for a revisit methinks, so thanks for the reminder.
I love the music too, she wrote that with Dave Motion didn't she? And Jimmy Sommerville is class, an angel . . . who knew! Did you ever see The Party? I posted about it ages ago when it popped up on NetflixUK, sadly it’s not available any more. I thought that was superb, a real return to form. The Man Who Cried is on NetflixUK, which is a bit meh, a great cast though.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 20, 2020 10:52:02 GMT
The Party is pretty good, slow start but builds to a satisfying climax.
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Post by TheMooN on Jun 20, 2020 15:05:17 GMT
Vampyre 1979 Vs Bram Stoker's Dracula 1992
The latter just takes it for me.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 20, 2020 15:09:38 GMT
Gary Oldman is epic in Bram Stoker's.
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Post by Slinger on Jun 20, 2020 15:54:52 GMT
I'd say those were two completely different films. Nosferatu: The Vampyre is an update/remake F.W. Murnau's "Nosferatu" with Max Schreck as the Count which sparked one of the two specific portrayals of Count Dracula. In this telling the Count is all fangs and fingernails, whereas in what we've come to think of as the more "traditional" Dracula films he's portrayed as a handsome, urbane, and witty aristocrat. Both Max Schreck and Klaus Kinski make absolutely brilliant and terrifying Draculas (Draculae? ) and I'd rate them, as films, about equal. Of course, the remake did have Isabelle Adjani as Lucy, as well as a great plot-twist ending. "Bram Stoker's Dracula," is, if it's a remake of anything, a remake of the old 1931 Dracula, starring Bela Lugosi which was directed by Todd Browning who, a year later, made the classic "Freaks" which was banned in the United Kingdom for over 30 years. Both feature the outwardly "nice" Dracula and for pure spectacle I'd just about award the honours to the remake in this case. Bela Lugosi, however, will always be the archetypal Dracula for me, and certainly the first to spring to mind when I hear the name mentioned, but of course, that's probably because of my age. Not that I was around in 1931, but he was my "first" Dracula, and nobody can deliver lines like these quite as well as Bela did. |
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Post by TheMooN on Jun 20, 2020 16:36:48 GMT
Just so slinger and I had pondered upon just your points, visual characterisation of cours, however in the end I descided upon an even more diverse presentation of the two films that still played closer to Stoker's storyline than Nosferatu or a number of spin of Dracula films, I also considered the Louis Jourdan made for TV BBC mini-series Count Dracula from 1976 as staying pretty close to the book but went with my choice in the end.
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