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Post by MartinT on Jun 2, 2020 10:57:15 GMT
As my system resolution and insight into the music improves, I realise something new is happening. I'm much more aware of low level detail such as note decay, room ambience and front to back depth in recordings. That learning is transferring to lesser systems such as my computer-based system in the study. I can now hear more of that information on these lesser systems than I was aware of before.
It was always there, but my brain has learned to listen more intently through the performance into the low level information, as far as that system allows.
Has anyone else noticed the same learning experience?
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Post by John on Jun 2, 2020 12:04:36 GMT
I usually think because you are now used to hearing the extra detail the brain is better able to make more sense of the music so it adjusts
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 2, 2020 14:43:07 GMT
Just what I have had recently and yet to be proved with the Coherent Pre.
I believe it was either not audible before or very quiet.
There have been a few different plateaus.
From memory previous upgrades at one point all
reduced bass, but improved it
increased sound stage width
increased bass in depth but not at the expense of the rest of the signal
brought background into the fore, without losing any foreground information
improved diction to make words much clearer
There may be more
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 2, 2020 14:56:40 GMT
I would say no but the major change for me is to be able to relax when listening to the music now the vinyl distractions have disappeared. So for me it's about enjoyment.
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Post by user211 on Jun 2, 2020 15:45:50 GMT
I think listening to high end audio systems is almost a self test exercise.
I think audiophiles learn to hear more accutely than the general public. The same is true of musicians.
I constantly roll valves to appreciate what amounts to changes in detail, imaging, frequency response etc that mean nothing to my wife, say.
It's both a blessing and a curse, the later resulting in repeated multi-K splashouts by many audiophiles over long periods of time.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 2, 2020 16:06:48 GMT
I agree, and I also think there is a language we develop which means nothing to the lay person.
I played some music for my step-daughter last night and she very much appreciated the music and sound quality. However, about the only adjective she could use was 'clear' to describe what she heard. She was lost for words (literally) to describe what she was hearing in any other meaningful way to me.
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Post by Slinger on Jun 2, 2020 16:38:56 GMT
Yup, you can keep your inky blacks and subterranean noise floors, because for me too music is about emotion, not evaluation. Something else that I agreed with Richard about was that there is a big difference between listening to your music, and listening to your hi-fi. Too often people lose their way down the upgrade path and forget what it is they started out chasing.
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Post by Clive on Jun 2, 2020 18:17:52 GMT
It’s a strange phenomenon. You make a change and sometimes you hear some detail you’ve not noticed previously. You then go back to the previous setup and now you hear it. It sounds like Martin you gone the next step and generalised the effect so you now hear deeper into the mix.
Sometimes such knowledge is a double-edged sword. Mark Fenton came over (as in MarkAudio drivers)..he heard something I liked in the bass, he told me why this was actually a failing of the driver. Now I can’t decide whether I enjoy the effect any more!
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 2, 2020 19:29:05 GMT
The boss, being an ex teacher, poet and writer often comes up with a better description than wot I do.
They are generally not the words and phrases we use
Must remember to note them down
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Post by MartinT on Jun 2, 2020 19:39:34 GMT
The boss, being an ex teacher, poet and writer often comes up with a better description than wot I do. They are generally not the words and phrases we use That could give us a whole new lexicon to use. Think of the possibilities! |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 2, 2020 19:40:37 GMT
It’s a strange phenomenon. You make a change and sometimes you hear some detail you’ve not noticed previously. You then go back to the previous setup and now you hear it. It sounds like Martin you gone the next step and generalised the effect so you now hear deeper into the mix. I think that may be it, Clive. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 2, 2020 20:10:34 GMT
The boss, being an ex teacher, poet and writer often comes up with a better description than wot I do. They are generally not the words and phrases we use That could give us a whole new lexicon to use. Think of the possibilities! She is also a word nerd. Second only to no.1 son |
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Post by Tim on Jun 3, 2020 9:52:11 GMT
. . . music is about emotion, not evaluation. Something else that I agreed with Richard about was that there is a big difference between listening to your music, and listening to your hi-fi. Yup - been saying that for yonks Slinger  |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 3, 2020 10:31:55 GMT
People who listen to their hi-fi join some of the weirder equipment oriented forums in existence. They salivate over shiny stuff and never seem to discuss music  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 11:05:04 GMT
I would say, but not listening to flat earth systems, musical enjoyment has been enhanced all round, rather than looking through a narrow window that propels music at you even when the musical passage does not require or dictate it. Actually spending the time to listen to music within a comfortable relaxing space in your own time with zero job requirements elsewhere, you appreciation of musical insight improves by an order of magnitude this I firmly do believe. Also not having Crystek clocks in one's audio system is a large step forward in achieving this as well  |
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Post by Chris on Jul 13, 2020 7:41:59 GMT
Absolutely! A large part of that is from being here too. I’ve learned what to listen to and for and things like how to follow different instruments and the shape the music is taking. I’ve learned how to listen to different characteristics in components too and,as such,my system has taken those tastes into account. Hearing different systems has helped too.
Thoroughly enjoying it too.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 13, 2020 9:22:01 GMT
I have yet to find the words to properly describe the subtle / no subtle difference I hear in the Coherent Pre Amp
Background comes more into focus
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Post by MartinT on Jul 13, 2020 9:28:21 GMT
I find that any attempt to listen intently for changes gets you into the wrong mindset. When I've been playing with clocks, the differences are subtle / not subtle as you put it. However, relaxing into the music soon tells me what I want to know.
A further sign is how long I want to listen for. If I'm pushing bed-time and I still don't want to stop listening, I know it's delivering the goods.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 13, 2020 9:29:58 GMT
Thought it was just me !
I start out intent on comparing things and then just play music and more music without changing
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Post by MartinT on Jul 13, 2020 9:32:00 GMT
Last night I just could not stop playing Leonard Cohen after recommending him as the greatest male singer. It's not often I have an entire evening dedicated to a single artist.
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