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Post by The Brookmeister on Jun 12, 2020 16:44:35 GMT
Qobuz is best, sound quality is all I care about and they win, I would rather slide down a razer blade using my left ball as a brake than use amazons stuff.
Amazon are the biggest crooks on the planet, Bezos is a total and utter twat.
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Post by edward on Jun 12, 2020 16:46:39 GMT
Is Amazon unlimited music now able to be controlled remotely (like Spotify Connect). Also can local music files be integrated into the Amazon library? If so I will cancel Tidal (Tiddle  ) and Roon. |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 12, 2020 16:51:31 GMT
If Amazon and Volunio ever get together on a plugin I might actually consider Amazon HD. They've just added HighResAudio so it seems they are taking the streaming side more seriously and adding functionality now. I am sure that Amazon compatibility will come. |
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Post by Slinger on Jun 12, 2020 17:30:19 GMT
I joined the list of people who messaged Amazon about the matter last week. Michelangelo says they've (Volumio) tried to contact Amazon on multiple occasions and received no reply.
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Post by user211 on Jun 12, 2020 17:38:44 GMT
Qobuz is best, sound quality is all I care about and they win, I would rather slide down a razer blade using my left ball as a brake than use amazons stuff. Amazon are the biggest crooks on the planet, Bezos is a total and utter twat. I can't say I don't agree to a good extent. I think the way this country has handled Amazon is anything but a scandal and a disgrace. So yeah I am a bit reticent but hey. |
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Post by user211 on Jun 12, 2020 17:42:07 GMT
I joined the list of people who messaged Amazon about the matter last week. Michelangelo says they've (Volumio) tried to contact Amazon on multiple occasions and received no reply. I'd be amazed if they'd need to. Surely the AWS framework has what they need (Amazon Web Services) though I haven't checked. |
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Post by user211 on Jun 12, 2020 17:43:05 GMT
Amazon Music lets you download content to your laptop hard drive and TIDAL never has. It's encrypted but that's fine. That's massive for me as internet access is just shite here and will be for probably a couple of years. There's an Offline Library facility on Qobuz that does the same. Never tried it before but I've just downloaded 2 albums and it seems to work OK. Out in the backwoods of deep Glos, the internet can get a bit dodgy here, too. Yes Jerry just buffer everything you like on your machine. The TIDAL phone app did it but not the desktop. |
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Post by user211 on Jun 12, 2020 17:53:02 GMT
Is Amazon unlimited music now able to be controlled remotely (like Spotify Connect). Also can local music files be integrated into the Amazon library? If so I will cancel Tidal (Tiddle ) and Roon. Remotely by what? I can stream to an nVidia Shield from my phone using the Amazon Music phone app but I don't think it's lossless. That's only because the Shield has an Amazon Music app installed in its firmware, though. How did Spotify Connect work? What is nice is that the Windows app tells you exactly what you listening to in detail i.e. what your device is capable of and what you are actually getting versus what the maximum quality available for each track is. So if they have it in 24/196, and your getting 24/44.1 and your device can do 24/96 it will make it obvious. This can be caused by incorrect Windows settings for your device. You have to know your hardware can do 24/96 before you realise you're a twat though, so you can make the necessary Windows set up mods. |
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Post by edward on Jun 12, 2020 20:01:55 GMT
Control it via a separate device (phone, tablet, pc) on the same network. Not streaming/casting to the device connected to the main audio rig.
Spotify, Roon, jriver can all do this.
So in my situation I have an optimised pc connected to my audio, I'd like to install amazon music on that and then use a different device to select albums on the audio connected device. Music would play lossless as would not be cast to the device.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 12, 2020 21:25:50 GMT
That's how streamers like Volumio work, too.
No music goes through the controlling device.
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Post by edward on Jun 12, 2020 21:43:44 GMT
That's how streamers like Volumio work, too. No music goes through the controlling device. Indeed. Question is if Amazon Music has this capability. So far as I can see it is only possible within the Alexa/Echo eco-system plus the Bluesound Node2i. |
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Post by user211 on Jun 13, 2020 14:33:23 GMT
Control it via a separate device (phone, tablet, pc) on the same network. Not streaming/casting to the device connected to the main audio rig. Spotify, Roon, jriver can all do this. So in my situation I have an optimised pc connected to my audio, I'd like to install amazon music on that and then use a different device to select albums on the audio connected device. Music would play lossless as would not be cast to the device. Well the obvious answer is you can control a laptop fully from a phone or tablet by using a remote desktop client. That's a bit shit on a phone as you'll be trying to control the desired machine which was designed to be used with a full sized monitor rather than a phone but if you have a big tablet that won't be so bad. But yeah there is no controlling app available AFAIK. Some web page I just looked at reckons you can stream AM via Bubble UPnP which is lossless. I used to stream TIDAL to my telly and use the telly optical out to feed a DAC using this method but only TIDAL and Qobuz appear to be visibly supported. |
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Post by edward on Jun 13, 2020 15:11:26 GMT
Control it via a separate device (phone, tablet, pc) on the same network. Not streaming/casting to the device connected to the main audio rig. Spotify, Roon, jriver can all do this. So in my situation I have an optimised pc connected to my audio, I'd like to install amazon music on that and then use a different device to select albums on the audio connected device. Music would play lossless as would not be cast to the device. Well the obvious answer is you can control a laptop fully from a phone or tablet by using a remote desktop client. That's a bit shit on a phone as you'll be trying to control the desired machine which was designed to be used with a full sized monitor rather than a phone but if you have a big tablet that won't be so bad. But yeah there is no controlling app available AFAIK. Some web page I just looked at reckons you can stream AM via Bubble UPnP which is lossless. I used to stream TIDAL to my telly and use the telly optical out to feed a DAC using this method but only TIDAL and Qobuz appear to be visibly supported. Yes indeed RDP works, but as you say a bit clunky when using via a phone. I'm surprised that Amazon don't provide this functionality. But I guess they want people to use their Alexa/Echo eco-system. I would have thought however they could provide this functionality and increase overall take-up. Having cake and eating it as it were.
Still not clear if Amazon music allows one to integrate local files into the overal view.
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Post by user211 on Jun 13, 2020 15:38:26 GMT
Well the obvious answer is you can control a laptop fully from a phone or tablet by using a remote desktop client. That's a bit shit on a phone as you'll be trying to control the desired machine which was designed to be used with a full sized monitor rather than a phone but if you have a big tablet that won't be so bad. But yeah there is no controlling app available AFAIK. Some web page I just looked at reckons you can stream AM via Bubble UPnP which is lossless. I used to stream TIDAL to my telly and use the telly optical out to feed a DAC using this method but only TIDAL and Qobuz appear to be visibly supported. Yes indeed RDP works, but as you say a bit clunky when using via a phone. I'm surprised that Amazon don't provide this functionality. But I guess they want people to use their Alexa/Echo eco-system. I would have thought however they could provide this functionality and increase overall take-up. Having cake and eating it as it were.
Still not clear if Amazon music allows one to integrate local files into the overal view.
Yes it does allow you to suck in your CD rips etc. And it works very well. For any duplicates just delete the copy you have donwloaded from Amazon. It keeps your original rip. So you can listen to a locally buffered encrypted version, a live stream or your rip very easily for quality compares. So if Amazon has your CD in 'Ultra HD" you can have fun deciding which version is best. |
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Post by user211 on Jun 13, 2020 15:56:05 GMT
BTW I regard the Windows app to be pretty decent. Better than Quobuz used to be years ago by a country mile. That was just dreadful but I would hope it is now totally different.
Definitely better than TIDAL's current Windows app by a long way. I don't know about Spotify recently either.
It takes a while to get used to the Amazon interface as a TIDAL user. Feels very odd at first but once you 'get it' it's good.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 13, 2020 16:09:52 GMT
The Qobuz app has improved but I only use it on my phone and sometimes on my Windows desktop. I use Volumio for music on the main system, which is a different experience altogether.
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Post by edward on Jun 14, 2020 15:10:14 GMT
Yes indeed RDP works, but as you say a bit clunky when using via a phone. I'm surprised that Amazon don't provide this functionality. But I guess they want people to use their Alexa/Echo eco-system. I would have thought however they could provide this functionality and increase overall take-up. Having cake and eating it as it were.
Still not clear if Amazon music allows one to integrate local files into the overal view.
Yes it does allow you to suck in your CD rips etc. And it works very well. For any duplicates just delete the copy you have donwloaded from Amazon. It keeps your original rip. So you can listen to a locally buffered encrypted version, a live stream or your rip very easily for quality compares. So if Amazon has your CD in 'Ultra HD" you can have fun deciding which version is best. Thanks Justin, that's good news about local integration. I may well try the amazon trial out then. RDP is ok(ish) when using a laptop/tablet. Like others I don't like the Tidal interface (I use Roon anyway). Amazon HD music potentially saves me quite a bit of dough (Tidal £20pm and Roon $120pa). Need to research how to migrate my Roon library over to Amazon. About 6k albums split over local and Tidal. |
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Post by user211 on Jun 14, 2020 15:29:24 GMT
Note it also follows the Quobuz model more closely so if you want to buy stuff you can i.e. get an unencrypted version.
Some library migration software would be useful.
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Post by user211 on Jun 19, 2020 10:31:46 GMT
Been spending some time setting up Amazon Music from my TIDAL set up.
About 60% done. So far Amazon has everything TIDAL has without exception. For a lot of artists it has more.
Impressive.
One slight niggle is album art. It seems that when you select an album, the album art request gets queued server side, as it frequently takes a good while before the request is serviced while the rest of the page appears pretty much straight away.
Also response time could be better when a request to play something is made. Though I am living with a slow by today's standards 15 Mbps connection it should still be quicker.
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Post by speedysteve on Dec 17, 2020 21:33:48 GMT
Late to the party as usual /
I tried Amazon HD and Ultra this evening.
I quite like the app, very easy to use and search add playlists etc.
It knew everything I'd purchased on CD and Vinyl from Amazon and presented them to me for streaming. Quite neat.
In portrait mode it truncates the name of the devices in the list to cast too. I have two Chromecasts in my loft room. A TV and Audio.
Couldn't see which was which. Going landscape it revealed which was which.
It stuttered and failed to find Maria Mena, but on retrying she was there.
Cause and effect full album, is not though!
Playing my usual favourite songs, the presentation is rather bassy! Even for me!
My system doesn't need assisted bass EQ 😀
Then the app on my phone crashed and gave me a wait option on restarting, then it was back.
That never happens with Spotify or Qobuz.
Across an aggregate of my favourite songs, I prefer the Qobuz sound, no question.
On some tracks it's not even close!
I'll be cancelling well in advance of the free trial running out I think.
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) and Roon. 
