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Post by ChrisB on Aug 15, 2014 8:03:34 GMT
Have you ever noticed that when describing the sound of a component/cable/accessory etc people often use words that seem to coincidentally describe what the material it's made of looks like?
It always seems rather odd to me and I can't help thinking something is badly wrong.
For example:
Silver - bright
Wood - organic
Ceramics - clean
I've noticed this countless times and I wonder if people are making irrational subconscious connections between things or if listening to hi-fi just makes your synapses fire off at funny angles?
Does it mean that your visual clues mean you're expecting to hear that sort of sound, so you think you hear it?
Or does the brain emphasise that part of the sound?
Or maybe you just think you hear it?
.........or do these things really sound like this?
Or is it just a big coincidence?
The whole idea of the effect that the brain has on your interpretion of something is rather fascinating.
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 15, 2014 8:19:12 GMT
Mix in Synesthesia which I read recently is present in a lot of us to a limited degree and you have a great menu ! Not sure where the subterranean bass comes from on the P10  |
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 15, 2014 8:30:09 GMT
I expect they put some soil in there!
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Post by dvh on Aug 15, 2014 8:31:16 GMT
Valves are transparent, so they allow a greater insight into the music.
It's all my arse, really (though coincidentally the only silver cables I have tried were very bright).
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Post by AlanS on Aug 15, 2014 9:06:16 GMT
It could be once you noticed it it now presents itself/shouts to you each time you read.
I have sort of recognised the bright/silvery sound coincidence but after that not reaaly noticed or concerned what people describe things as like.
Its more the night and day, game changing and other how amazed I am, the guy 4 doors away could hear the difference comments that eclipse the stuff you are concerning yourself over
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Post by Pinch on Aug 15, 2014 9:28:07 GMT
I've noticed the same thing. In many instances, my suspicion has been along the lines of your first diagnosis: irrational subconscious connections between things. To be honest, I often find that the descriptions that people use, to describe the character of their hifi's sound, do not make a lot of sense to me. A problem is that there simply isn't a sufficiently rich range of sound-specific adjectives, in terms of which we can adequately capture the character of the sound we hear, and so we're forced to borrow terms that are standardly used to capture other aspects of things - mainly their visible aspect - and to use these terms in metaphorical ways.
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Post by dvh on Aug 15, 2014 9:39:52 GMT
Would wooden cables sound more 'organic'?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 9:42:23 GMT
Would wooden cables sound more 'organic'? LOL, they would certainly have a very low noise floor. |
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Post by julesd68 on Aug 15, 2014 11:46:10 GMT
If you want your cables to sound more 'organic' you just need some wooden 'cable elevators' ...  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 11:54:18 GMT
If you want your cables to sound more 'organic' you just need some wooden 'cable elevators' ... Well, there's some FOOd for thought  If anyone needs some wooden cones or elevators (is that escalators in English?) I can always knock out a few at extortionate very reasonable prices. |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 15, 2014 12:21:41 GMT
Have you ever noticed that when describing the sound of a component/cable/accessory etc people often use words that seem to coincidentally describe what the material it's made of looks like? I don't do that, but I do tend to listen to a 'sound-picture' and so make visual references as is I were looking at a picture, thus light, shade, colour, tonality and resolution etc. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 15, 2014 12:22:06 GMT
Thinking of the VIDA Sounds like the 60s and 70s and was designed in Japan ! Thinking of my Isis Futuristic - It came through time and is going to take over, much like Martin's Dynavector Chord with those awful blue LEDs Sounds like Disco |
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Post by shuggie on Aug 15, 2014 12:25:53 GMT
If you want your cables to sound more 'organic' you just need some wooden 'cable elevators' ... Well, there's some FOOd for thought If anyone needs some wooden cones or elevators (is that escalators in English?) I can always knock out a few at extortionate very reasonable prices. Not a bad idea - these things can make a difference, but cannot justify high prices. Make something inherently attractive, about 50mm tall, and I'd buy some. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 13:13:57 GMT
Well, there's some FOOd for thought If anyone needs some wooden cones or elevators (is that escalators in English?) I can always knock out a few at extortionate very reasonable prices. Not a bad idea - these things can make a difference, but cannot justify high prices. Make something inherently attractive, about 50mm tall, and I'd buy some. I take it you are laking about just lifting the cables off the floor. I can't see that many things will be that attractive but it would be easy enough to turn something pretty. I have a huge amount of yew branch wood that should finish to about 50mm diameter. Dead easy to make it an inverted cone with a notch in the top for a wire. Nice looking wood too, takes a good finish. We are probably talking €5 or so each!! Then we have postage from France. However, if anyone is seriously interested I could do a couple and show you here how they look. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:28:54 GMT
Had a spare ten minutes anyway. Knocked out a couple.   I expect the music will sound a bit wooden. |
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 15, 2014 16:13:59 GMT
Grainy.
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 15, 2014 16:14:20 GMT
But with a tight grain!
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Post by AlanS on Aug 15, 2014 16:31:50 GMT
Uplifted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 16:51:16 GMT
Then of course if you think that lifting the leads off the floor is a waste of time, you can always bungem under something  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 8:03:39 GMT
Hmmm.......... lifting the wire off the floor made no damn difference at all of course. However, under the TT they are great. Cleaned the sound up and the bass is more tuneful!! Yew would be surprised  |
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