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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Feb 6, 2020 9:03:27 GMT
I had the opportunity to visit Vic last night to have a listen to his OB's, thanks are due for hosting me and allowing me to listen to his creations - thanks Vic! Short version - Wow. Just wow.. Long version - Vic took me upstairs to his living room, quite a large space, around 30ft. by 15ft. so room for speakers to breathe. We had a chat about the construction of the speakers and the various earlier iterations that are scattered around the room. Some photos below, but basically he uses some miniature scaffolding parts from a company near Huddersfield I think it is - total cost for all the parts and for them to cut the tubing to length was £99 delivered, so a bit of a bargain there. I'll try and find a link. The bass drivers are bolted together facing each other using some spacers of around 4-5", and hang in a cradle of the scaffolding supported by some small loops of cable. This seems to work really well - I checked to see if any vibrations were making there way from the drivers to the scaffolding and couldn't really detect anything, so this arrangement appears to work really well. The PRV mid/top drivers are hung from a U shape bracket, again with a loop of cable under the top drivers' magnet. Vic made some fish plates, more or less the shape of a dog bone to connect the four drivers together, all just hanging there from the top driver. The weight of the drivers keeps them steady. They are connected series/parallel a la Edingdale stylee. It was all digital files we listened to, one particular track that struck me was a live version of Man/Machine. I can honestly say I've never heard a speaker in a living room get closer to how a live gig sounds ( or at least how I imagine it would sound not having been there). The scale, dynamics and sheer drive to the bass has to be heard to be believed - I've certainly never heard anything like it in a living room, it really is like being at the gig. The funny thing is though, the bass is in no way overblown, nor does it interfere with the mid/tops in any way, it's just there when it needs to be, and boy is it there! As Vic commented, you can't really appreciate music like this until you hear it with the full frequency range reproduced, and having now heard this for myself, I have to agree. The 4" PRV drivers appear to be quite a bargain- I think they are around £75 each? Mids and tops were very well reproduced, huge soundstaging too. Very clean and clear, and I didn't miss a tweeter at all. Further details - The bass drivers are crossed at 275hz to suit the PRV drivers, using the DSP in the Behringer amps. I was surprised to learn there is no DSP used to tweak the low bass response due to the lack of baffle, these drivers are so capable that none is required - I can certainly vouch for that. Only caveat is sensitivity is not great, but as Vic again commented, watts are cheap - he's using a couple of 6000w NX Series Behringers which he paid £300 each- all he does is up the gain by 10db to match levels with the PRV's. Other than that they are run open, as I believe are the PRV's - they are run with a pair of Temple Audio boards, powered with a pair of supercap power supplies. Well that's about it, I'm sure Vic will correct any inaccuracies, just like to say thanks again, it was a pleasure to meet you. My plan now is to copy the bass side of this and use it with the Bastanis mid and tweeter. EDIT - link to the metal store - www.themetalstore.co.uk/
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Post by jandl100 on Feb 6, 2020 9:26:32 GMT
Fascinatingly different - another system I'd love to hear if only it were closer. 6kwpc.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Feb 6, 2020 9:42:27 GMT
I'd love to hear your speakers too Jerry, never heard any MBL's. Vic's certainly impressed me enough that I'll be doing the same at home. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 10:07:46 GMT
Magnificent looking things; I’d love to hear those one day; thanks for sharing.
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Post by John on Feb 6, 2020 10:21:28 GMT
I have to say probably the best bass I have ever heard is on Vic system The PRV drivers have a lot of punch and running them in line array gives you tremendous scale Glad you going down a similar path Do you plan to use different bass drivers
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 6, 2020 10:29:25 GMT
Clever stuff. So far out of my competence and comfort zone Sounds great
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Feb 6, 2020 10:39:16 GMT
I have to say probably the best bass I have ever heard is on Vic system The PRV drivers have a lot of punch and running them in line array gives you tremendous scale Glad you going down a similar path Do you plan to use different bass drivers I'll use the same bass drivers, Vic says it's not just the size, but that particular driver that is special, and use the mid and tweeter in my current Banstanis to start with, see how I get on with that initially. Given Vic's extensive experience with trialling bass drivers I'm happy to go with his recommendations. Agree it's the best bass I've heard from a domestic speaker.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 6, 2020 10:47:39 GMT
one particular track that struck me was a live version of Man/Machine That Kraftwerk live album has some of the best recorded live concert material I have ever heard. The bass and atmosphere are immense but the focus remains tight, with plenty of attack. It's a great song and a great system test. Only large speakers need apply.
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Feb 6, 2020 10:57:16 GMT
Yes agree Martin, I had a silly grin on my face listening to it.
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Post by John on Feb 6, 2020 11:10:33 GMT
I have to say probably the best bass I have ever heard is on Vic system The PRV drivers have a lot of punch and running them in line array gives you tremendous scale Glad you going down a similar path Do you plan to use different bass drivers I'll use the same bass drivers, Vic says it's not just the size, but that particular driver that is special, and use the mid and tweeter in my current Banstanis to start with, see how I get on with that initially. Given Vic's extensive experience with trialling bass drivers I'm happy to go with his recommendations. Agree it's the best bass I've heard from a domestic speaker. Good to hear as you got good bass drivers A lot less coloration when you go baffle-less
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Feb 6, 2020 11:29:06 GMT
Yes, I thought the 18" Goldwoods were good until I heard these.
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Post by John on Feb 6, 2020 12:15:28 GMT
The Goodwoods are good it just the Dayton UM18 takes it up a whole new level
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Feb 6, 2020 12:29:31 GMT
Yes agreed, bass that punches you in the gut. :-)
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Post by John on Feb 6, 2020 14:09:58 GMT
Hopefully a few of your friends at Talk Audio might also go down a similar path. But guess it's one of those things you have to hear first
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Post by Clive on Feb 6, 2020 14:16:05 GMT
I use the previous gen of 18 inch Dayton drivers selected by Vic. Pretty good too but I had to stop buying drivers so I stuck rather than twisted on the current ones. My room isn't nywhere near as well proportioned as Vic's so I wasn't convinced I'd derive much benefit - that what my head told me.... The configuration great though, go for it Ali!
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Post by Eduardo Wobblechops on Feb 6, 2020 14:50:04 GMT
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Post by Clive on Feb 6, 2020 15:05:56 GMT
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Post by Slinger on Feb 6, 2020 15:15:40 GMT
Am I alone in not knowing who "Vic" is, or is everyone else just too polite to ask?
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Post by Clive on Feb 6, 2020 15:19:13 GMT
Vic used to be Trans-Fi...Terminator parallel tracking air bearing arms and the Salvation rim drive deck.
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Post by Slinger on Feb 6, 2020 15:23:38 GMT
Suddenly it makes sense. Thanks, Clive.
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