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Post by MartinT on Jun 1, 2019 12:43:52 GMT
Both terrific recordings to get the best out of the format.
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Post by tim1750 on Jun 1, 2019 16:04:29 GMT
That was my thought's exactly Martin
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Post by tim1750 on Jun 4, 2019 12:19:15 GMT
Hi all, i just got my first SHM disc come thru it was the RICKIE LEE JONES and I have to say that IMHO it sounded better than the stock Warner Bros disc it was more dynamic and less vailed (if you can believe that )so i'm pretty pleased with it and I'm looking forward to the Steely Dan's Gaucho cd to arrive
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Post by MartinT on Jun 4, 2019 13:04:46 GMT
Good result. They're worth picking up for known good albums.
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Post by tim1750 on Jun 8, 2019 12:10:18 GMT
Well my second disc came thru today and I have to admit that I think SHM sounds better to me than any SACD I own, I don't know if it's the player i'm using for SACD's but with the price of SACD's i'm sticking to SHM for now on.
Is their anyone else how feels the same way ?
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 8, 2019 12:57:45 GMT
Well my second disc came thru today and I have to admit that I think SHM sounds better to me than any SACD I own, I don't know if it's the player i'm using for SACD's but with the price of SACD's i'm sticking to SHM for now on. Is their anyone else how feels the same way ? They do SHM-SACDs as well. There is a Platinum version of SHM-CD discs too.
Comparisons are all well and good if you're comparing like for like. In your case you're comparing apples and oranges.
Take one of Steely Dan's recordings as an example.
I have a rip of the SHM-CD of Gaucho, and I have a rip of the original normal release of Gaucho back when it became available. The original gives the impression of being slightly more detailed. A check of replaygain figures for both sets of files reveals that the original release is slightly louder. There are no differences in the mix, or of the degree of compression used in mastering. It's just level that's different, and slightly louder comes across as more detailed.
SACD discs are generally mastered to lower volume levels, because when a mix gets really busy there's a lack of bandwidth, and the simplest way to regain the bandwidth is to turn it down. It's the crux of the arguments about DSD and PCM. With PCM you get full bandwidth all of the time. With DSD you get bits on demand, provided that you have enough bits to satisfy demand.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 8, 2019 13:34:39 GMT
SACD discs are generally mastered to lower volume levels, because when a mix gets really busy there's a lack of bandwidth, and the simplest way to regain the bandwidth is to turn it down. It's the crux of the arguments about DSD and PCM. With PCM you get full bandwidth all of the time. With DSD you get bits on demand, provided that you have enough bits to satisfy demand. I'm just trying to get my head around this. Neither PCM nor DSD are natively lossy formats. Information Theory says that bits and sampling rate are interchangeable. So what's different in their ability to encode music that's busy, right up to the hard stop which every engineer will avoid? |
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Post by Stratmangler on Jun 8, 2019 14:17:20 GMT
DSD uses Delta-Sigma processing, and that's where the problems begin and end. You can't get away from one bit at a time. It's one bit at a time switched out at really high speed, but it's still only one bit at a time. DSD is nigh on impossible to mix in the digital realm.
Most work for a DSD production is done in the digital domain using PCM, and converted to DSD right at the end.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 8, 2019 15:39:16 GMT
Yes, I realise that, but the 1-bit is at 2.8MHz rate, so lots of room to accommodate even complex music?
Nevertheless, I'll bet that a lot of DSD lovers don't appreciate that their file has been through the PCM mill at some point.
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Post by tim1750 on Jun 8, 2019 18:28:27 GMT
Many thanks for the insight into SHM-SACD Stratmangler and to be honest with you it doesn't matter to me what the process of recording is only that it sound good to my ears.
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Post by Billy Liar on Oct 2, 2019 19:24:44 GMT
SHM & HQCD use a clear Polycarb similar to TV screen material. Japanese are well known for superb sound without any new Techniques applied. I was buying these Crd sleeve editions when the SHM first surfaced.
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