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Post by mattspl on Feb 25, 2019 12:43:43 GMT
I just got a couple of packs of 5x20mm German made Siba ceramic fuses to replace the small glass fuses in my power amps, not wanting to go to the expense of Audiophile fuses.
The Siba fuses also have an ELU logo(being partner companies)on the end caps that I recognised. Sure enough, the synergistic research black fuse is an ELU fuse.
This is good news in that we know we are getting a high quality, standardised fuse, but does it also mean we’re paying a fortune for some cryo treatment and Graphine paint?
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Post by MartinT on Feb 25, 2019 12:54:32 GMT
No idea. The only way to be certain would be to compare them.
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Post by petea on Feb 25, 2019 13:06:23 GMT
I have never done comparisons, but use 'audiophile' fuses in the UK mains cables at least. I guess in some cases a number of the so-called audiophile fuses are actually stock items from one manufacturer or another and although one might end up paying a premium for them when branded in a certain way, one might actually (hopefully) just be paying for the time of whoever did comparisons and decided these were the ones for that price point. It is natural to feel ripped off when one discovers that the fuse is not actually specially made for a certain purpose, but one should acknowledge when some sort of pre-selection has been made I think, as long as it was done on merit and does not result in too great a price premium.
Just a random thought really on where value gets added, although I too like a bargain of course!
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Post by MartinT on Feb 25, 2019 13:09:45 GMT
It's not a rip-off if you selected the item and were prepared to pay the price for that improvement at the time.
It could be that SR select the Siba as a base and then treat them. There is a YouTube video of their high voltage treatment machine so they are doing *something* that I doubt Siba do to the main production. It doesn't matter: the SR Reds and Blues that I am using easily justify their price.
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Post by mattspl on Feb 25, 2019 14:00:28 GMT
Yes, I definitely believe the fuses are worth the cost in the improvements they bring. I thought it interesting that they are actually a Siba fuse as most of the naysayers are usually spouting on about lack of British standards and safety etc.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 25, 2019 14:08:34 GMT
Indeed, but we all know that the naysayers are very much less interested in safety certification and more interested in trolling and generally causing issues for those of us who have been using upgraded fuses for years.
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Post by mattspl on Feb 25, 2019 14:24:42 GMT
Yes exactly, yet 99.9% of them have never even tried a Hifi fuse or mains cable.
One of the things I can never understand is people’s negativity towards cryogenically treated Hifi products, when it’s proven that cryogenically treating things alters their structure for the better and is used extensively in motorsports.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 25, 2019 14:33:51 GMT
I agree, cryo cables are another area and I'm very impressed with my DCT (Deep Cryo Treated) Townshend cables I picked up recently.
I've tried to get more people to appreciate decent fuses: the AMR Golds have a low cost of entry and are sufficiently good for the differences to be heard without breaking the bank.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 25, 2019 15:02:31 GMT
Matt
You bring to my mind what had been rolling around in the weeds at the back
The labels SR stick on the fuses are naff.
That may indicate buying in, but did they do 'other things' before selling on ?
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Post by MartinT on Feb 25, 2019 15:13:49 GMT
That may indicate buying in, but did they do 'other things' before selling on ? They claim cryo treatment and high voltage treatment. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 25, 2019 15:16:35 GMT
That may indicate buying in, but did they do 'other things' before selling on ? They claim cryo treatment and high voltage treatment. Specialist knowledge too I'm sure. I'm not keen on messing around with cryo and high voltage on a fuse |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 25, 2019 15:28:06 GMT
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 25, 2019 15:43:58 GMT
Thanks Martin
SR are way more serious than I thought
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 15:55:12 GMT
From personal experience I find the black very specific to certain applications, it can tip the balance of a system quite markedly, where as the RED is a good overall upgrade, the blue if you are using straight from the mains and or solid state power amps that can be quite forward. All good fun though.
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Post by mattspl on Feb 25, 2019 16:16:54 GMT
Matt You bring to my mind what had been rolling around in the weeds at the back The labels SR stick on the fuses are naff. That may indicate buying in, but did they do 'other things' before selling on ? I think it’s a lot to do with damping of vibrations, hence the sticky label and graphine blob on the SR fuses. I see some companies are selling little stickers to stick on fuses, capacitors and chips etc. I replaced all the glass fuses in my power amps with ceramic ones and wrapped a small strip of electrical tape around the ceramic part of the 32mm speaker output fuses to act as damping. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 25, 2019 16:46:20 GMT
Matt You bring to my mind what had been rolling around in the weeds at the back The labels SR stick on the fuses are naff. That may indicate buying in, but did they do 'other things' before selling on ? I think it’s a lot to do with damping of vibrations, hence the sticky label and graphine blob on the SR fuses. I see some companies are selling little stickers to stick on fuses, capacitors and chips etc. I replaced all the glass fuses in my power amps with ceramic ones and wrapped a small strip of electrical tape around the ceramic part of the 32mm speaker output fuses to act as damping. Vibration. In fuses. Yes, why not. All in the pursuit of more music  |
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Post by mattspl on Feb 25, 2019 17:01:15 GMT
Yes it’s a bit crazy, but anything is worth a try in the pursuit of perfect sound |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 25, 2019 17:47:59 GMT
From personal experience I find the black very specific to certain applications, it can tip the balance of a system quite markedly, where as the RED is a good overall upgrade, the blue if you are using straight from the mains and or solid state power amps that can be quite forward. I've followed that: Blue in the regenerator feed, Red everywhere else. Haven't touched Blacks. |
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Post by mattspl on Feb 25, 2019 17:59:33 GMT
I’ve a black in the regenerator, had a black in my Dac, but now use a blue in the Dac and blue in my speaker management(effectively my pre amp).
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 25, 2019 18:01:17 GMT
Yes it’s a bit crazy, but anything is worth a try in the pursuit of perfect sound Agreed. Cheap is good, like chokes. All else is real money even if we do say "great value in the context of the system" |
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