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Post by MartinT on Feb 11, 2019 17:30:35 GMT
I agree with John about Black Ravioli. No explanation for their seemingly impossible isolation/damping properties.
On grounding boxes, I disagree. A thought experiment has me understanding what they are doing. They make more sense than many accessories I've tried.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 11, 2019 17:32:30 GMT
Oh, Peter Belt. Thanks for reminding me, Jerry. No, those little sticky triangles did nothing for my system. Coloured electret foils, anyone?
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 11, 2019 17:36:18 GMT
>> The things for which there is no rational explanation as to how they might work.I did try some of that back in the day, and no, it didn't seem to do much of anything. Yes, that's it: "The Foo That Turned Out To Be Poo!"
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 11, 2019 17:40:20 GMT
I tried Peter Belt stuff when he was feted in the hifi mags
If any of them worked at all it was very, very subtle. So subtle it was undetectable.
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Post by John on Feb 11, 2019 17:44:02 GMT
The Peter Belt stuff just seemed to be bonkers
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Post by speedysteve on Feb 11, 2019 19:38:37 GMT
Okay, I share my experiences..
I've had quite a bit of both mains and signal ground boxes in my system and a long time to play with it in and out.
I could not hear one ounce of difference of any of it! Connecting more and more did not help.
I took it all to a pals multi way horn system. We put in, took it off, put it on, over and over, really tried to be objective - nope, neither of us could hear it. Now, we can hear the difference between PSU's, horn profiles, signal and power valves, compression drivers, bass drivers, crossover point variations, headshells, tonearms, cartridges, armboards OP amps, let alone amps, turntables, dacs, preamps etc etc etc.
These boxes just did nothing for us..
So let your ears decide...
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Post by julesd68 on Feb 11, 2019 19:57:22 GMT
Well I have never heard a specialist mains cable that has convinced me I have to get one.
I have quite an expensive Wireworld mains cable that I bought second-hand out of interest. At the moment it is feeding the new LPSU for my DAC. Once I feel that the psu has got enough hours on it I will decide if the Wireworld is worth keeping after doing a simple swap with a kettle lead.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 23:15:50 GMT
OK, thanks for all of the replies so far. However, what I really want to get at is peoples experiences with... It's the things you stick on the wall, the bits that you connect between the main components that just...well, they just sit there. The things you balance on top of the speakers. The little gadgets you clip onto cables or powders you sprinkle on your cds. Like the thread title says: the inexplicable. Any thoughts? I’ve got some Shunyata cable elevators (mk.ii models). Of course there’s the marketing blurb around what they do and how they work; I took it with a pinch of salt. Anyway I shouldn’t post about them in this thread because I wouldn’t be without them now. My brother was a skeptic (I couldn’t help bursting into laughter when I tried to explain how they worked because of his raised eyebrow and unimpressed expression - I felt stupid). However, I played music that we both knew well and took them out one at a time from under my speaker cables. Then I put them back in as the music played and his facial expression transformed from one of unimpressed disdain to a wide eyed ‘you’ve got to be kidding me?!’ look. So they sit there, but it seems they do what they say on the tin. This thread is a great exploration as to why it’s important (IMO) to keep an open mind in this hobby; somethings I wanted to work (supertweeters) just didn’t (for me) and others I had no idea if they would and the claims sounded like bs, but I gave them a go and my horizons have been broadened. Re: all of the sorbothane comments, have any of you tried the RDC combi bases? They compliment the RDC cups - the cups fits inside the base, which has a thin slice of sorbothane with a circle cut into the middle. I always wondered why this hole was cut and it sounds (from what I’ve read in this thread) that it allows the sorbothane to compress more easily, allowing it to work in optimal conditions. Anyway, they’re a welcome addition in my system as I recently added them to RDC spikes and cup combos that were without and it improved the sound further.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 10:37:13 GMT
Greeen pen on CD's. I tried it on about 10 CD's and it made absolutely no difference that I could hear. Looked a bit like this.
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Post by jandl100 on Feb 12, 2019 12:39:13 GMT
^ Worked for me! Better defined imaging, more focussed. I used a 'proper' marker though - very wet and thick ink. Took a while to dry.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 12, 2019 15:23:31 GMT
I used the black marker that came with my CD treatment kit. It did help.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 15:33:41 GMT
Maybe it was just the green pen that didn't work then, LOL
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Post by SteveC on Feb 12, 2019 16:05:53 GMT
Maybe it was just the green pen that didn't work then, LOL For the greatest possible pleasure, just reach for your NOBO!
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Post by julesd68 on Feb 12, 2019 16:44:24 GMT
Maybe it was just the green pen that didn't work then, LOL Maybe your handwriting wasn't good enough Paul - back to school!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 16:54:50 GMT
Maybe it was just the green pen that didn't work then, LOL Maybe your handwriting wasn't good enough Paul - back to school! You are probably right there, Jules
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Post by Barry on Feb 13, 2019 22:48:34 GMT
>> The things for which there is no rational explanation as to how they might work.Ah, you mean grounding boxes. I used to paint the edges of my CDs green. But that worked. Peter Belt stuff - putting silver foil strips on equipment and a sheet of paper under one of the feet of a piece of gear and under one of the legs of all the furniture in the room. Etc. I did try some of that back in the day, and no, it didn't seem to do much of anything. No surprise there then! What about bottles of 'deionised' water placed near your electricity meter - did it make the TV picture any sharper?
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Post by Barry on Feb 13, 2019 22:51:38 GMT
I agree with John about Black Ravioli. No explanation for their seemingly impossible isolation/damping properties. On grounding boxes, I disagree. A thought experiment has me understanding what they are doing. They make more sense than many accessories I've tried.Care to elucidate Martin?
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Post by MartinT on Feb 14, 2019 7:19:30 GMT
Care to elucidate Martin? Hard to put it into words as it's a mind-visual thing. Essentially, when we normally ground something, we talk about sinking noise and interference to ground. We don't talk about a return path, just that Mother Earth is a big, stable sink for noise and takes in far more than it gives back. Now think of a grounding box as a micro-Earth, made from materials designed to enhance, in a compact form, its ability to sink noise and crap. This is nothing to do with hum, it's the noise that exists in the ground plane of electronics. Connecting the ground plane of, say, your preamp to the box helps to sink away that noise on account of it being a very low impedance ground (I think that's why the grounding cables have such an effect on performance). We all know that interference isn't always heard as noise, it quite often manifests as intermodulation: one frequency modulating another. Take that noise away and distortion reduces. This is what I hear when I connect my grounding boxes to the system. Lowered noise floor, enhanced clarity and deep, deep soundstage.
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Post by Firebottle on Feb 14, 2019 7:32:47 GMT
I'm with you there Martin, that's how I think of it as well.
I know Tony is very keen to know exactly what is happening and is investigated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 9:44:44 GMT
People often misinterpret noise as hiss at the speaker (I used to think this too). Sure it CAN manifest in this way but other noise you only realise you had it when it becomes absent.
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