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Post by MikeMusic on May 26, 2018 15:08:22 GMT
Interesting conversation yesterday with a kind gentleman who bought a couple of mains cables from me.
He was previously a cable sceptic, as I used to be. After plugging in and hearing the difference he is a believer although at least puzzled, again like me.
With a technical background I don't have he raised an interesting point touched on by Paul McGowan of PS Audio*
He had them to try before committing and after the first try out was barely convinced.
Leaving them to settle / align / burn in he found they improved so decided to keep them.
I posted the cables to him so even though packed well they would have received some lobbing around and thus disturbance.
They had also had almost no use in the previous few months so could have returned to their raw, jumbled state, perhaps like when new.
Wonder what we would be measuring to find out what is going on
*Think he spoke of electrons aligning or similar
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Post by ChrisB on May 26, 2018 15:26:32 GMT
Don't the Royal Mail pay compensation if they knock your sub-atomic particles out of whack then?
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Post by MikeMusic on May 26, 2018 16:09:13 GMT
By the time we worked it out they were back in place !
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Post by scotty38 on May 26, 2018 17:56:53 GMT
Let's hope those electrons don't get moved about too much, don't want all that conductive material leaking out of its covering....
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Post by Slinger on May 26, 2018 18:09:21 GMT
Let's hope those electrons don't get moved about too much, don't want all that conductive material leaking out of its covering.... I believe that Shun Mook sell a box made of very rare fossilised wood from the Japanese Kumquat tree to stop that happening. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 6:47:30 GMT
I think there is something there. Whatever cables/kit I have bought before second-hand, has always needed some level of run in time once I’ve connected it to my system. I wonder if it’s a synergy thing too?
Cables appear most susceptible to this improvement,.
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Post by MartinT on May 27, 2018 9:08:34 GMT
I think there's a semantic mix-up here. Burn-in is the process of improving a cable (or component) to its maximum performance. It's the phrase we use.
Whether the mechanism is due to alignment of electrons, crystal structure or whatever, we don't know or understand.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 27, 2018 9:57:03 GMT
Yes, semantics.
"Burn in" indicates to many that there is heat or magic involved and that is why I brought it up.
Never occurred to me before that cables could go back to their original state if not used and/or knocked about.
If cable is in use there is something going on internally.
I would love to know what it is, phrased simply for the non technical
Could also explain why the system sounds better as time goes on
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Post by dvh on May 27, 2018 13:54:14 GMT
Wonder what we would be measuring to find out what is going on Whatever it is, you'd need a very small tape measure. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 17:27:57 GMT
Que a coopers pairs debate  |
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Post by MartinT on May 27, 2018 18:09:07 GMT
Que a coopers pairs debate Que?  |
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Post by Mr Whippy on May 29, 2018 23:34:45 GMT
Years (decades) ago, when I had the energy for such things, I made up some speaker leads from aluminium clad card intended for use behind radiators to reflect the heat back. It was cut into 1" strips and insulated and connectors fitted.
Two things were pretty obvious, compared to the QED 79 strand I was using. One was that there was a new flow to the music. I remember playing Crowded House's self-titled first album and and was struck by how "Don't Dream It's Over"... flowed. The other thing of note was the top-end which sounded dirty. These two aspects remained as I continued to use them in place of the QED.
Over a (short) period of time, the connections would fracture and I would have to cut them off and renew them, which meant pulling the cables out from behind the unit. After putting them back I noticed that it always took a day or two for the sound to settle down and get back to what it was like before being disturbed.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 30, 2018 9:32:09 GMT
Seems to be a common thing then
Hard work.
Wonder what other non obvious materials would improve sound
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