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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 18:59:10 GMT
Just wondering if there are any other considerations beyond the sound that would make you reject a product.
For instance, many people say they "have" to have remote volume. I usually run long speaker cable lengths and have the hifi right beside me if I can, so it's less important to me. Is the lack of this an absolute deal breaker for anyone?
Others insist on tone controls and then there are those who wouldn't buy any amp sporting them. Is this a ldeal breaker either way to you?
Wide baffle speakers? I usually hate thin floorstanders because of the driver compromises they often bring, but I don't have a problem with the shape or size of any speaker. What about floorstanders vs standmounters or even bookshelf? Is there something you can't live with domestically/aesthetically?
I'm guessing colour is important to a few of us too. I know Mike likes black and I like anything shiny. Anyone else rule out something because of colour/wood finish?
What about blue LED's or LED's in general. Any lovers/haters? Likewise VU meters. What would bring you to say "I'm out"?
What about large heatsinks, busy fascias, shoe box size, rack mount?, high box counts, loads of wires? Anything make you reject a product on sight? For me it's "tinny" build. If a product appears insubstantial I just don't want to own it. Anyone out there who has no "deal breakers" and would happily buy anything that sounded good?
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 10, 2018 19:15:56 GMT
I do want a remote. If the sound quality was such a huge step up I'd consider not having one. Hate LEDs. Especially the ones that burn your eyes out. Can't seem to avoid them so I cover all of them with black card. Having black kit makes them almost invisible. I prefer the kit to be as inconspicuous as possible. Want to listen Black kit on black racks behind a black curtain would be fine
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Post by MartinT on Mar 10, 2018 19:22:22 GMT
The only deal breaker for me is remote volume control. I can't live without that.
All else is preference: silver finish, attractive, good build quality. None are deal breakers. Good sound quality is.
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 10, 2018 19:37:00 GMT
The only deal breaker for me is remote volume control. I can't live without that. All else is preference: silver finish, attractive, good build quality. None are deal breakers. Good sound quality is. x 2
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Post by steveeb on Mar 11, 2018 21:56:22 GMT
The only deal breaker for me is remote volume control. I can't live without that. All else is preference: silver finish, attractive, good build quality. None are deal breakers. Good sound quality is.Funny that. Lack of good sound quality would be more of a deal breaker for me
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 22:16:59 GMT
I need a remote, it’s so frustrating not having one.
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Post by steveeb on Mar 11, 2018 22:26:21 GMT
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Post by Chris on Mar 12, 2018 5:27:54 GMT
Because it's mainly s/h I buy condition is a deal breaker - to me kit has to look like it's been looked after. It's not too much to ask.
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Post by John on Mar 12, 2018 6:20:43 GMT
I see my system as a odd mixture of different designs that somehow work for me Sound is the only real criteria for me. But would love to see Stan put a remote on the SEQ
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Post by karatestu on Mar 12, 2018 7:09:25 GMT
I prefer to buy british and hopefully save on delivery miles / cost to the planet.
Also i like to support small manufacturers like Avondale Audio, NVA if possible. You get to speak to the designer.
I like zero frills, no nonsense product which is well built and designed to last.
Marketing nonsense is now one of my pet hates.
All of these things are deal breakers for me to varying degrees.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 8:03:59 GMT
Reliability is another factor for me. I'd avoid anything with a rep for breaking down/playing up. It just unsettles me and stops me from enjoying the music. If something has played up for me, I usually get it fixed and let it go.
Also speakers. I'd never buy another pair of "straight shooter" speakers. It's semi omni or Spica slope for me.
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Post by ant on Mar 12, 2018 8:27:52 GMT
I want as simple as poss. Less to go wrong. If i cant find what i want i'll just make it instead. Dont really care where the bits come from. The only bit im picky about is the turntable, i wouldnt buy anything with a box plinth as I think there are flaws in that approach. Cart, i want something with an ml, shibata, fg stylus, i wont put up with end of side distortion and have found that these type of profiles are best for me personally . Arms, i want something engineered properly thats as long as I can get away with, no short linn pattern arms. I think they are too short for me. No stupid counterweights, something simple. low slung bearings that sit at stylus height, i have found that this eliminates warp wow as far as it can be and something snaps into place: eg mission 774, at1100, roksan tabriz, they do something that sounds more natural to me. I built an arm specifically to find out what difference this made and could adjust the bearing height on. It made a huge difference to me. But then im odd and went that far with it to find out.
Cd, somthing that has abit of soul, file based, couldn't care less as long as it works.
Amp, simple as poss either valve or sand
Speakers, something that works with the room that is neutral. Dont want impressive, i want something that just plays.
The deal breaker? Something marketed agressively, and that is easily available second hand. If people want to sell it, they dont want to keep it. What does that say about it?
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 12, 2018 10:25:40 GMT
Because it's mainly s/h I buy condition is a deal breaker - to me kit has to look like it's been looked after. It's not too much to ask. For sure. Add that to my list. Surprises me when people say how good the kit is when I sell it. There must be some horrors out there
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 17:44:21 GMT
Condition is an interesting thing because it seems to be influenced by brand. Linn electonics are often badly treated. Lots of big long scratches across the tops where cables have been carelessly dragged. Naim amps almost always immaculate. Rega decks always seem to have scratched lids. Linn hardly ever. Linn kan/Sara almost always near mint. Naim speakers usually tatty.
I tend to think less of someone if they don't treat items with respect and care. Everything that leaves me, does so looking perfect or at least better than it came to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 17:54:56 GMT
Because it's mainly s/h I buy condition is a deal breaker - to me kit has to look like it's been looked after. It's not too much to ask. Totally agree, and prefer to find someone from the Hifi forums etc. to buy kit I have for sale too as I would prefer it/them to go to someone that cares.
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Post by dvh on Mar 16, 2018 10:10:28 GMT
I couldn't give a monkey's what happens to stuff I sell on; the buyer can smash it with a sledgehammer for all I care.
Deal breakers for me would be: something too heavy to move, something with known 'reliability' issues, or something that needed lots of TLC to keep it performing satisfactorily. Lack of remote control isn't an issue; the 'upstairs' system hasn't got a remote, but as I listen near-field or via headphones I don't need one.
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