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Post by pinkie on Feb 22, 2018 9:12:54 GMT
"My previous post asked what could be used as a non-pejorative term for foo..." Vapourware ? (It might be there, but not everyone sees it) The discontinuity of the censors hand. I had posted - the relevant part was removed by moderation which left the remainder of the post meaningless, so I deleted the post to avoid looking like I was insane |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 22, 2018 9:47:31 GMT
Actual there is but not the basic measurements you refer to. That would be interesting. I've never seen anything published that can show good correlation. Paul Miller gets closest but even he admits that you can't correlate everything you hear with what he measures. |
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Post by DaveC on Feb 22, 2018 9:52:21 GMT
Take Paul, mix in a little Noel, then add a sprinkling of author and loudspeaker designer Geoff Hill, and I believe you could ? YMMV
Dave
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 22, 2018 10:31:55 GMT
Martin This is a thread about foo. ] Except that it was pointed out some time ago that the term is insulting and the author of the OP conceded that this might be the case. |
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Post by pinkie on Feb 22, 2018 11:10:22 GMT
Martin This is a thread about foo. ] Except that it was pointed out some time ago that the term is insulting and the author of the OP conceded that this might be the case. Which is why I was seeking an alternative term, but Martin appears not to like "Faith products" |
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Post by John on Feb 22, 2018 11:16:33 GMT
It is someone subjective experience and has nothing to do with faith
Richard at present you walking a fine line If you wish to continue you will need to let this go
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Post by pinkie on Feb 22, 2018 11:27:59 GMT
Chris
I now understand from Martin that this is a subjectivist forum. Discussion of measurements are not welcome. The friendly forum but very selective as to acceptable topics. I further understand that the reason I (and not a few others, on this forum and in the wider world) are unable to hear some of the product benefits that others are able to hear, is simply due to my (our) hearing being defective, and/or our equipment being inadequate. No other explanation is possible or tolerated apparently. And discussion of the subject is offensive.
So. I'd just like to say my system sounded really really super last night. Better than any of yours (subjective, so acceptable) and with the most life like and realistic presentation, dynamics, and airy space around the instruments that it is possible to imagine. Better even than the live performance.
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Post by Stratmangler on Feb 22, 2018 11:41:08 GMT
Perhaps the use of the phrase "incredible tweaks" is appropriate. It's suitably vague, and it covers both viewpoints simultaneously. Then everyone's perspective is correct, and there's no need for naysaying  |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 22, 2018 11:50:07 GMT
I now understand from Martin that this is a subjectivist forum. Discussion of measurements are not welcome. The friendly forum but very selective as to acceptable topics. I'm getting really tired of your twisting everything into something that was never said. Since when have measurements not been welcome? Yes, we are selective about topics and Politics and Religion are not welcome in the main forum as they always end in tears, yet somehow you have managed to bring religion into a thread about 'foo' products! Richard, you are clearly not happy here at TAS. Please go find somewhere else to be because your personal agenda really is something that is no longer welcome here. We don't have the time to chase after your posts to see what you've written this time. That is not what TAS is about at all. Posting rights removed. |
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Post by dvh on Feb 22, 2018 13:50:15 GMT
I guess the dividing line between foo and tweak is fuzzy; it's a thin line between 'There's no way on Earth that could make a difference' and 'Don't knock it until you've tried it'. The 'science can't prove everything' mantra is always good to throw in, especially if you entirely clueless about technical stuff and need help changing a plug.
But, as I said upthread, the idea of grown men arguing about, and falling out over such trivia has always baffled me. As I saw on a (non-audio) discussion recently: 'Try not being arsed, it's much more relaxing'.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 22, 2018 14:04:39 GMT
it's a thin line between 'There's no way on Earth that could make a difference' and 'Don't knock it until you've tried it'. The thing is, it's perfectly ok to say "I don't hear any difference with that" - it's your opinion and you're perfectly entitled to say it. No-one here is going to censure you for having an opinion. What I really object to is "There's no way on Earth that could make a difference" because, in DSJR and Pinkie style, it's making a baseless authoritative statement and is designed to imply that any other view is wrong, when some of us have been discussing those very effects. |
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Post by MartinT on Feb 22, 2018 14:05:09 GMT
'Try not being arsed, it's much more relaxing'. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 15:33:31 GMT
There is a tendency to overlook the possibility that "disbelievers" can be equally infkuenced by their beliefs and expectations. Take, for instance, those who express a view that something "cannot" make a significant difference if it can't be measured. Isn't that a strong belief, especially when it leads you not only to decline to try something, but also to deny the experiences of others?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 15:43:08 GMT
'Try not being arsed, it's much more relaxing'. I REALLY like that, too. I think I will add it to my sig as a reminder |
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Post by Tim on Feb 22, 2018 16:32:33 GMT
'Try not being arsed, it's much more relaxing'
^ that right there is pretty much a good precis of the point of my OP - I can't be arsed with all the faith gizmos or incredible tweaks, preferring to enjoy me toons.
Who knew it would get quite so out of hand eh? Well of course it would, it's a HiFi forum!
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Post by MartinT on Feb 22, 2018 17:38:57 GMT
It's like cables all over again, Tim.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 22, 2018 17:56:20 GMT
'Try not being arsed, it's much more relaxing'. I am rather fond of the 'Try not being a complete arsehole, it's much more relaxing for the rest of us' mantra, unfortunately that particular malady lurks intrench-ably deep within the DNA of some. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 18:04:09 GMT
Arseholes are like opinions. Everybody has one.
It is a bit offensive calling (or implying) a person an arsehole, more so than saying that a fuse is a piece of hi-foo.
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Post by TheMooN on Feb 22, 2018 18:10:37 GMT
And yet There can be a clear and oft intended distinction between the attitude and delivery of said opinion WC, would you not agree ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 18:34:08 GMT
Attitude and delivery of an opinion in a written form is very hard to judge.
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